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Re:Gen 2 vs Gen 3 2012/10/17 23:02:40 (permalink)
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Gen 3 is logically a bit more powerful with a few better components, but once they're both mildly modified the differences don't matter as much. Its a nicer base to start from, but if you've got a gen 2 don't bother looking for parts from a gen 3, just go aftermarket and you'll be even better off.
The biggest drawback is the turbo, the CT26 definitely becomes a restriction. If you're lucky someone else will have already swapped on a CT20B :D
(FYI the CT20B just says 'Toyota' on the inlet)
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Re:Gen 2 vs Gen 3 2012/10/17 23:36:21 (permalink)
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yeh, gen3 really wins mostly in stock format. if you already have one it's cheaper to get more power out from compared to a gen2, as you have to upgrade the ecu and turbo to get to the same limit the gen3 can on stock components.
 
then you also running the risk of blowing the stock HG as it's composite not MLS like gen3.
 
but it's not worth spending the money to convert to gen3, money better spent on uprgrading what you have.
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Re:Gen 2 vs Gen 3 2012/10/18 01:31:34 (permalink)
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Well I've already got an EMS 8860 ecu wired up, so with a better turbo, and maybe some aftermarket cams It should have enough power to satisfy me haha, not that it doesn't already.

So I take it the CT20 turbo is what a gen 3 has stock?
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Re:Gen 2 vs Gen 3 2012/10/18 03:03:58 (permalink)
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^yep gen3 has the 'CT20b' stock...

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Re:Gen 2 vs Gen 3 2012/10/18 07:37:03 (permalink)
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Anyone have one spare they want to sell?
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Re:Gen 2 vs Gen 3 2012/10/18 11:44:14 (permalink)
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You already have aftermarket ECU, intercooler, intake piping and ingnition coils, might as well go for a bigger turbo if you want to make more power,
 
That is depending on how much power your looking for.

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Re:Gen 2 vs Gen 3 2012/10/18 12:03:05 (permalink)
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have you checked to see if the turbo you have has been hiflowed???
it doesnt make sense as to why someone would do the ecu, and the rest thats been done to your car and then use a stock CT26.. in saying that ive done some silly things and so have others but it doesnt hurt to check and see if the current turbo is indeed a hiflowed unit..
 
take the intake pipe off and take a picture, we will be able to tell you if its hiflowed or not
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Re:Gen 2 vs Gen 3 2012/10/18 12:27:21 (permalink)
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Best off doing everything aftermarket. You can get bigger injectors than the Gen3 540's, the stock ECU changeover would be non beneficial compared to an aftermarket MAP equipped ECU & CT20B turbos would be second hand & give a small power increase compared to aftermarket.

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Re:Gen 2 vs Gen 3 2012/10/18 13:48:47 (permalink)
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Well the guy that owned it before the guy I bought it off was a computer wiz, so wouldn't surprise me if it wasn't. But even if it was it would still be better off getting a better turbo anyway right?

Yeah, I think your right, aftermarket parts.
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Re:Gen 2 vs Gen 3 2012/10/18 14:59:57 (permalink)
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Turbo upgrade/modifications really depends on your goal for the car. Make it easy on yourself & decide how far you want to go @ the start so you can plan the right modifications without wasting money.
 
Does your turbo/power fall over by 6000rpm? If so, most likely it's an untouched CT26.
 
To be honest, modifying Gen2 3SGTE's puts you in a bit of a dilemma. There's no "cheap" effective modifications & unlike Mitsubishi's, you're forced to change ecu/injectors/fuel pump/turbo to get any meaningful results. Past the usual intake, exhaust, boost controller & cooling modifications, it's quite expensive. If you're committed to the car (like many of us are), then you can do the usual modifications, then change turbo, injectors, fuel rail/pump (E85 would be a great move if you can) once you've accumalated the necessary parts/funds. Rebuilding the motor etc etc can come when necessary.
Another alternative that I recommend to those that don't want to venture far from stock, is to replace the turbo (now or when it dies) with a bolt on replacement turbo, such as the Blitz K1, PE1919T or CT27. Those can still be managed by the factory ecu @ upto about 16psi safely, but bear in mind your injectors will start to hit the ceiling. Coupled to a free flowing exhaust (incl. dump pipe), intake & intercooler (sidemount will suffice in that case with an upgraded fan), it should stay with a similarly equiped Gen3.
post edited by MR2QIK - 2012/10/18 15:04:52

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Re:Gen 2 vs Gen 3 2012/10/18 15:45:15 (permalink)
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Well my tacho doesn't work, but yeah it does cut out early. Which on a different subject, how the hell do I get it to work?!?! Lol, I have been told I need to wire something to the alternator or something because of the aftermarket ecu.

Well I'm already half way with those modifications. I think I will start with the turbo upgrade.. Where could source one of those turbos you mentioned from?.. Or do you know of anyone selling one? Thanks
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Re:Gen 2 vs Gen 3 2012/10/18 15:59:09 (permalink)
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Well my tacho doesn't work, but yeah it does cut out early. Which on a different subject, how the hell do I get it to work?!?! Lol, I have been told I need to wire something to the alternator or something because of the aftermarket ecu.

Do you know if you still have the stock igniter? Work-arounds are required to make the tacho work without the stock igniter.
This is due to the fact that some 'old' cars, like the SW20, have a tacho that determines the RPM based on the time between each voltage spike on the negative of the ignition coil (which is connected to the tacho wire inside/via the stock igniter). If you don't understand what I mean, don't worry, I used to do stuff like this for a living!

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Re:Gen 2 vs Gen 3 2012/10/18 16:11:31 (permalink)
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Can you be more specific as to where you're at modification wise & how far you want to do?

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Re:Gen 2 vs Gen 3 2012/10/18 17:44:46 (permalink)
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No I don't have a stock igniter.. What do I have to do to get it working?.. It's driving me nuts haha. As well as my speedo going crazy, but I'm going to have a look at that now.

Boost controller (Apexi AVC-R), aftermarket ecu (EMS 8860), aftermarket ignition, side mount intercooler and an aftermarket exhaust.. Pretty sure that's all. Just want it to have a bit more power, nothing to crazy, at the moment I'd rather keep the inside of it stock, but that's not to say for in the future.
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Re:Gen 2 vs Gen 3 2012/10/18 18:25:10 (permalink)
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No I don't have a stock igniter.. What do I have to do to get it working?.. It's driving me nuts haha.

Ah I see, that probably explains the tacho issue then.
Does your aftermarket ECU have some sort of digital tacho output?

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