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Re:1993 MR2 Turbo - Tuning Stages 2012/10/15 13:27:12 (permalink)
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Well when you get to the point where you know that your going way over the top with the build, a second car to be used for daily purposes is required.
Then the MR2 will live either in a mechanics workshop and/or your garage whilst the building (Spending) is taking place. I'd say a couple of years for my build with a bit of driving it in between :)
I probably started buying parts for the build 6-9 months out from the start
I was researching for years before I decided to do it.
 
sredze

Wow, that pretty much details it right down. Pretty amazing work.
How much time would you say you spent on the whole process??


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Re:1993 MR2 Turbo - Tuning Stages 2012/10/15 13:52:35 (permalink)
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If you want a reliable motor with more than about 260rwkw, you should budget for AT LEAST ~$15k in parts, usually closer to $20k-$25k or more, as others have said above.
 
That's just the parts. If you do all the work yourself you will save a huge amount of money, but it will take much longer, and require experience and confidence to get it right.
If you get a decent workshop to do ALL of the work for you, the overall cost will roughly double due to labour costs.
 
In my case, I did about 10% of the work (eg. electrical stuff like wiring up the ECU), and a workshop did the rest, so the labour costs were very high.
I have always had a second car for daily driving, so it wasn't a big problem having my MR2 off the road. However, even with my MR2 at a workshop and being worked on fairly consistently, it still took about a year to be 'completed', plus an additional 4-6 months when I had to change some stuff and get an engineering certificate for all the mods.
 
If you purchased ALL required parts before you started the work (not likely), you would probably shave many months off the total completion time, however, it is very unlikely that you will go through the whole build process without changing your mind about some things.

There is an extensive build thread for my car here: http://www.mr2australia.com/mr2play/tm.aspx?m=18316
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Re:1993 MR2 Turbo - Tuning Stages 2012/10/15 14:28:43 (permalink)
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Well I right now I am probably in the researching/planing stage. Trying to to set out time frames with ideas on what exactly I plan on doing. Plus I have the bonus of all you're experience and expertise on these boards. Knowing what kind of budget is needed is another bonus from all this. My main thing is also going to be finding a capable workshop who will do all the labour as I am really time strapped due to work commitments. But all this helps a lot. I guess 25-30k should cover me. Will take a lot of saving though over the next couple of years.
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Re:1993 MR2 Turbo - Tuning Stages 2012/10/15 15:23:38 (permalink)
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if workshops are doing all the labour you need to add that to your cost. so far we just talked parts. figure in a couple of grand at least every time you have to drop the motor... so it's cheapest to do it in one go. 
 
my motors been out twice and i did it in stages and the bill is somewhere over $60k so far... but that includes a new gearbox from toyota for about $5k..... custom piping fabrication, a couple of tunes on the dyno etc. if you just bought available parts and did it in one hit you could save on some labour... 
 
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Re:1993 MR2 Turbo - Tuning Stages 2012/10/15 17:18:36 (permalink)
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...MR2 Turbo = gaping money pit :P
 

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Re:1993 MR2 Turbo - Tuning Stages 2012/10/15 17:38:32 (permalink)
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just a question, why do you want 400hp in an MR2?
 
 
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Re:1993 MR2 Turbo - Tuning Stages 2012/10/15 17:46:49 (permalink)
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Now after reading all this, I probably wouldnt want that much. Maybe 300rwhp is closer to my liking. Dont have a definitve answer for that though, more so ego than anyhting else really to be honest.
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Re:1993 MR2 Turbo - Tuning Stages 2012/10/15 18:00:57 (permalink)
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What I'm trying to do is do small upgrades at a time, but make sure they'll still be compatible with my higher power goals. That way you don't have to spend too much at any one point, and it stays driveable for a longer period of time.
Ie I've upgraded the fuel pump and rail, which you can do just on their own and run like normal, but then you're ready to swap in bigger injectors when you get an ECU.
Have a water injection kit fitted. Planning on switching to a water to air intercooler, so will mount the heat exchanger and pump setup first before changing my cooler piping.
 
This is all irrelevant if you're doing a full ground up rebuild for massive power. But in that case I'd buy a spare block to build up separately and just drop in.
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Re:1993 MR2 Turbo - Tuning Stages 2012/10/15 18:11:05 (permalink)
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Don't get me wrong, We all want more power!
 
I was just wondering what the application would be for that 400hp and why it has to be the MR2..
 
sredze

Now after reading all this, I probably wouldnt want that much. Maybe 300rwhp is closer to my liking. Dont have a definitve answer for that though, more so ego than anyhting else really to be honest.


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Re:1993 MR2 Turbo - Tuning Stages 2012/10/15 18:38:04 (permalink)
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Because i just got it recently and i guess i want it be as quick as it looks because it looks damn fine. :D
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Re:1993 MR2 Turbo - Tuning Stages 2012/10/15 19:48:03 (permalink)
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Power is a like a drug...
Tune for response, so you can punch hard off the line and out of corners! :D

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Re:1993 MR2 Turbo - Tuning Stages 2012/10/15 19:52:43 (permalink)
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Go GT3071 with supporting mods then rebuild the motor when it pops.

All this talk of cost is........lol

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Re:1993 MR2 Turbo - Tuning Stages 2012/10/15 19:59:59 (permalink)
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What about the GTX versions? 
 
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Go GT3071 with supporting mods then rebuild the motor when it pops.

All this talk of cost is........lol


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Re:1993 MR2 Turbo - Tuning Stages 2012/10/16 10:45:32 (permalink)
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It'd make near the same power as a GT3076, but with slightly slower response than a comparable GT3071. More expensive than your run of the mill GT3071, but certainly an option if you want that little bit extra. To be more detailed with my recommendation:
 
Firstly, verify the condition of your motor (comp test etc). If ok, proceed to Phase 1 (join 1 & 2 if it's a tired motor to begin with). Make sure your gearbox synchros are still good too, since making lotsa power with a dodgy box is kinda silly. Make sure your radiator, coolant lines & everything else is good too (ie start with a good base).
 
Where you located? A few people here can recommend places (if Sydney, RaceSolutions in Penrith).
 
Phase 1:
GT3071 (or GTX) turbo (can use factory cast manifold with adaptor plate) - few sales in the States at the moment too
Cams (Kelford 264's come to mind) + matching valvesprings (mild porting of the cylinder head too if you can)
ARP head studs & MLS HG
Fuel system (pump, injectors, rail etc) - decide if you want/can go to E85/E-flex (dependant on availability in your area)
Intercooler - W2A OR trunk mount (don't bother with sidemounts if you want safe & sustainable power)
ECU - totally your choice here, but I'd recommend a Haltech Platinum (stay away from Wolf etc though - stick to what's proven to work)
Aftermarket intake manifold - RMR, RacerX etc (or custom)
Ignition - if running E85, you'd want stronger spark (M&W, NoddE's kit, MSD etc) - factory will be ok if running 98RON
Boost controller - again your preference here
CRW axle cages (or ATS)
Turbo back 3inch Exhaust (assume you already have one - but just in case)
 
Phase 2 (when engine dies or you have more money to burn):
Forged internals/bottom end
You have options here depending on block, displacement & compression ratio etc
For that turbo, you'll be ok with nice simple 3S block with 86.5mm pistons, 3S crank, Eagle rods etc (perfect rod ratio), but I'm sure if this day ever comes you'll post a thread/explore the options of a 2.1-2.3L motor with a 5S block.....lol

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Re:1993 MR2 Turbo - Tuning Stages 2012/10/16 10:51:38 (permalink)
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Should mention the "bolt on stage" since I just read your first post....lol
 
I wouldn't really recommend this stage if you decide your intention is to go a bit serious, but if you want something to get you by for a few years:
Complete 3-inch exhaust (turbo back)
Intercooler (if you stop at this stage then sidemount is ok)
Boost controller (max 16psi for the CT26)
Intake
 
You'll probably see only a 20-30rwkw gain @ that point. But it's an option.

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