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2012/10/14 12:51:34 (permalink)
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1993 MR2 Turbo - Tuning Stages

Hi Gents,
I am interested to know about all the stages for tuning an MR2 Turbo. How many stages does it go up to? the costs involved? The workshops that do these sort of mods, stuff like that?
My ambition is to get my Mr2 within the 350-400 HP range. So I am wondering about all the kinds of work which has to be put into the car and engine to get it to this level.
A link to a thread detailing this topic or an exmaple project with a specs list would be nice. Cheers.
post edited by sredze - 2012/10/14 12:57:33
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    s2d4
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    Re:1993 MR2 Turbo - Tuning Stages 2012/10/14 13:28:15 (permalink)
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    What do you mean stages?
    Have you been reading the vdub/euro tuning scene?
    They like to do categorise stuff in stages... 
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    Re:1993 MR2 Turbo - Tuning Stages 2012/10/14 13:40:37 (permalink)
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    Yeah I have, the UK based boards/forums for MR2's.
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    Re:1993 MR2 Turbo - Tuning Stages 2012/10/14 13:54:50 (permalink)
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    350-400hp you will need a full rebuild with forged pistons, MLS HG, cams in the 264 range and a gt3076 turbo with fueling, inter cooling and ecu upgrades to support.
     
    which state are you in? 
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    Re:1993 MR2 Turbo - Tuning Stages 2012/10/14 14:02:24 (permalink)
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    Yeah that sounds similar to what I ve been reading/researching. What kind of price range would all these things fall into??
    I would really need some kind of spec sheet though or a list that i can follow from an existing or previous project, as I am not really that accustomed to the products out there.
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    Re:1993 MR2 Turbo - Tuning Stages 2012/10/14 14:38:08 (permalink)
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    At the wheels?
    Two cars on this forum make over 300rwkws (400 horsepower) look up MR2QIK and SW20 that i can remeber. BEAST also some pretty close
     
    There might be some pages dedicated to these builds here. There should be a spec sheet for them and how they got to that level.
    The other 2 that roughl come close
    ROBKs IMPOSSIBLE, 279rwkws 267rwkws
    DylMRT white SW20, 254rwkws
    Beast - 270rwkws http://zorst.com/mr2.htm
     
     
    Edit: Sorry my numbers are little off and added BEAST from BD4s
    post edited by darius - 2012/10/14 14:50:50

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    Re:1993 MR2 Turbo - Tuning Stages 2012/10/14 14:40:54 (permalink)
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    Thanks Darius. Will def check it out.
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    Re:1993 MR2 Turbo - Tuning Stages 2012/10/14 20:02:59 (permalink)
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    Also Totenkoph is well over 300rwkw
     
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    Re:1993 MR2 Turbo - Tuning Stages 2012/10/14 21:49:16 (permalink)
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    dasic1

    Also Totenkoph HAD well over 300rwkw



    Let me make some corrections for you :)  I pulled the motor out of my car about 3 years ago I think and it hasn't run since, perhaps one day.  You can look up my old build thread however its likely a little more then you require.  I did put a fair bit of info in there initially which may be of some assistance.  Remember all the ancillary parts that will be required to support the power also, ie, clutch, injectors, fuel pump, intercooling etc.
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    Re:1993 MR2 Turbo - Tuning Stages 2012/10/14 22:51:57 (permalink)
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    Look up the '3SGTE Power Primer'. I've been told its a little bit out of date, but its still a fantastic guide.
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    Re:1993 MR2 Turbo - Tuning Stages 2012/10/15 10:13:15 (permalink)
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    i think it all depends on how long you want it to produce the power for... both how much heat you can get out/before heat soak sets in... and how long till you trash your motor.
     
    I've done rebuild with:
    forged ceramic coated pistons,
    new head, bored 1mm over,
    custom exhaust manifold,
    GT3076R,
    Custom fuel rail,
    800CC injectors,
    custom inlet
    Spearco intercooler
    5SFE oil pump
    aftermarket ECU
    etc.
     
    but i only make round 250rwkw... (probably less at the moment cause it's running a tad rough lol)
    my main concern was not blowing it up, so it's tuned conservatively and it runs rich... as anyone who's seen me hit my redline will attest from the flames and smoke and such.... I could easily tune it for more, but it really depends what you're building it for? numbers? driveability? reliability?
     
    you can probably get the numbers for bragging rights for a lot less $$ but you'll be risking your engine or making it a bitch to drive...
     
    my advice on "stages" or progression path would be in line with the "power primer" it tells you a lot about what outputs require what mods as a bare minimum, you can tie a lot of the stuff together by changing the ECU though so i'd skip a lot of the piggyback fiddly stuff and do that earlier than they recommend and save $$ in the long run.
    post edited by TRD2000 - 2012/10/15 10:16:55

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    Re:1993 MR2 Turbo - Tuning Stages 2012/10/15 11:07:27 (permalink)
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    Well I understand that serious power and reliability do not go hand in hand. So my ambition is to gradually get up to say maybe 275-300rwkw, for the only reason of having the power there, and no, I would never trash my engine. I cant think of any other specific need or use for it as i dont plan on racing my car. I would obviously need someone to assist me with this here on the Gold Coast, as my knowledge with all this stuff is limited. I would need to find a proper workshop where they know what the fudge they're doing on MR2's.
    Big thanks for the info so far.
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    Re:1993 MR2 Turbo - Tuning Stages 2012/10/15 11:27:46 (permalink)
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    To give you an idea on what a parts list looks like for 300+ KW @ wheels here it is from my last MR2. (Some items I have probably forgot)
     
    Polished GT35R .82 V-Band housing
    Tial 38mm wastegate re-routed
    Stock ex manifold
    Fujitsubo 3" exhaust
    RMR inlet manifold with stock throttle body
    Wolfkatz top feed fuel rail with 1000cc Delphi injectors
    Walbro pump and Turbosmart FPR800 Fuel Reg
    HKS 264 cams with HKS cam gears
    Port and polished head with 1mm oversize Ferrera valves
    Engle valve springs
    L19 headstuds
    Eagle rods
    CP 86.5mm stroker pistons 2.2L
    knife edged lightened 5sfe 2.2L crank
    ACL race bearings
    ARP main studs
    High flow high volume oil pump
    VMAX block girdle
    Fidanza flywheel
    Clutchmasters FX400 clutch
    Gen3 gearbox with stock lsd
    CRW Upgraded cv joints
    Grex oil thermostat
    Large side mounted oil cooler
    6" K&N filter on a 6" to 4" velocity stack
    Tial Q Bov
    700x300x100 boot mounted intercooler. Twin 12" fans
    AP Engineering Power FC
    MSD 6A ignition box
    MSD HVC coil
    Magnecore KV85 ignition leads
    2Ltr Boot mounted oil catch can
    PWR alloy radiator
     
    Keep in mind the list above does not include:
    Custom hoses/brakets/fittings/wiring/intercooler piping/powder coating etc etc
    Upgraded brakes (To stop with this power)
    Suspension parts
    Gauges to monitor the engine
     
    I'd say I spent about 20-25K on the engine/driveline and another 15K on suspension/wheels/brakes/interior stuff.
     
    Alot of this work was done by myself so if I had gotten a mech to do the lot it would have cost a fortune!
     
    Hope this helps :)
    Edit: My old showroom thread might have some info on the build http://www.mr2australia.com/mr2play/tm.aspx?&m=7873&high=mrskylighter&mpage=1
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    Re:1993 MR2 Turbo - Tuning Stages 2012/10/15 12:17:06 (permalink)
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    Wow, that pretty much details it right down. Pretty amazing work.
    How much time would you say you spent on the whole process??
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    Re:1993 MR2 Turbo - Tuning Stages 2012/10/15 12:18:33 (permalink)
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    that's probably a tad more than you NEED to do to get the figures.. but again, overbuilt usually = more reliability... unless you're changing stuff that you don't need to.... if you need to change a part from stock then you might as well get a tough part.
     
    $20-25k sounds about right if you do a lot yourself.... i spent a lot more than that but did it in stages and had to pay someone else.
     
    finding a good mech who knows MR2's is a major factor too... theres lots of guys around who might know the basics or be able to tune them but doesn't REALLY know mr2s... try and get hold of the queensland club and look at going to brisbane or over the border to NSW rather than stay local with someone who's "willing to give it a go".... i've had my fare share of ****ty mechs and it's probably cost $20k cause of them alone.

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