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Re:My turn.... EFI fuse keeps blowing
2012/05/15 16:47:36
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+1 to not Whinebro - sounds terrible in a mates Evo. If you can afford it get a JZA80 Supra TT Denso unit. Quiet, reliable, high flow. I also hear that they flow better at lower voltages than equivalent Walbro 255 pumps as well.
post edited by MRTurbo - 2012/05/15 16:51:44
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Re:My turn.... EFI fuse keeps blowing
2012/05/15 17:18:50
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nissky My jack and stands top out at about 400mm i think :D How long did it take the first time? Need to remove, all covers, engine heat shield, disconnect wiring, move coolant & a/c lines, unbolt brackets, drain tank, disconnect fuel lines and filler tube, then wrestle the thing out. Did i miss anything? How heavy is it? Need 2 people? The tank + lines is about 350mm high. I can remember how long it took the first time, but the last time was only around a hour. That sounds about right, but there is a handbrake cable to undo as well. Depending on how much fuel you have theres no need to drain it. I did mine with it half full. 2 people would be handy but not necessary. I do it on my own. (waiting for some smart ares comments)
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Re:My turn.... EFI fuse keeps blowing
2012/05/15 18:47:18
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If you get a Supra TT pump get it from America not Japan as they are more powerful. Wire to the battery with a relay and fuse near the battery and use the fuel pump power wire to power the relay on Aaron got me mine plus strainer , rubber boot and its a straight swap.
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Re:My turn.... EFI fuse keeps blowing
2012/05/16 07:48:16
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I will get a suitable denso one, but maybe not direct from Toyota. Also the supra one might be excessive not ever going to increase power, its adequate now :D. Have upgraded turbo car before and regretted it due to reduced low down response. I actually didn't want a Turbo (old tech/lag) car again, but the gen3 changed my mind. Proabably the lightness combined with a very responsive Turbo.
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Re:My turn.... EFI fuse keeps blowing
2012/05/16 08:05:19
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Thanks for the offer rizo, but I wont be doing it this weekend. Still need to rule out wiring, and then wait for replacement pump first. But I will be doing the rear struts on Sunday, you are welcome to drop in, another hand will be great... (Peakhurst) The whole process is a but slower now that I can't drive up the ramps.
Frigging mr2 and tools has taken up the whole double garage now, every day car is in driveway until I get suspension fitted and sort out this fuel pump.
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Re:My turn.... EFI fuse keeps blowing
2012/05/18 17:02:29
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I checked the wiring from the fuel pump connector under ashtray, and looking the pump resistance specs anywhere from 0.2 to 2 ohms is normal (i was getting 0.2 but i dont think my multimeter is that accurate anyway...) So i quickly wired up the pump with a direct feed, had a 30amp inline fuse that it came with. Connected everything else back to normal except fuel pump connector. It runs. Dropped inline fuse to 20amp, it still runs. Put pump back onto normal circuit (efi circuit) it blows the 15amp fuse again. But stick in a 20amp efi fuse and it runs fine. Theres only 2 options i can see, my pump is on its way out so its drawing more current, or its un upgraded pump that already draws more current, but why does it only have problems now? Anyway i dont trust it now, it will have to be replaced at some point. Ill run a new relay with larger fuse permamently, controlled by the original fuel pump feed. Then i can decide whether to get a shop to swap it out for me, as it wont need to be towed (fingers crossed).
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Re:My turn.... EFI fuse keeps blowing
2012/05/18 17:05:49
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Try and get your hands on a DC Clamp Meter. They measure current draw in cables. Its really the only way to know what the current draw on the pump is as it may fluctuate under load. I have one if you need it.
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Re:My turn.... EFI fuse keeps blowing
2012/05/18 17:44:27
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Hmm yes would be useful, can check various points in wiring. Send me your mobile, call you tomorrow. Much appreciated, Walter.
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Re:My turn.... EFI fuse keeps blowing
2012/05/18 20:01:16
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You didnt follow my directions. Dont be concerned about the pump and whether the car runs. Ild be more concerned you dont have a FIRE. Fuses are there just to protect the wire NOT the item. No fuse can blow fast enough to protect anything. Putting a bigger fuse is crazy until you determine whats wrong. Like i said DISCONNECT that plug. Put the factory recommended fuse in 15 amps then turn on the ignition. Does the fuse blow ? If yes ITS NOT YOU PUMP. You have another problem. If no it doesnt blow then its your pump. Do yourself a favour and do it. Dont worry about ohms and anything else. Its crazy to run a 20 amp fuse on such a thin wire and especially when you dont know what the issue is. LETS NOT SEE A FIRE
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Re:My turn.... EFI fuse keeps blowing
2012/05/18 20:16:49
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Yes, I understand totally, no more 20amp, was a quick test.
It doesn't blow with pump disconnected, did that first.
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Re:My turn.... EFI fuse keeps blowing
2012/05/18 20:27:39
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MANDALAY Like i said DISCONNECT that plug. Put the factory recommended fuse in 15 amps then turn on the ignition. Does the fuse blow ? He has already done this : nissky Connected everything else back to normal except fuel pump connector. It runs. The pump was running on a jury rigged supply but everything else powered by that circuit was connected as normal - no fuse blew. The symptoms and diagnosis thus far point to an excessive current draw issue by SOMETHING on that circuit. It COULD be the fuel pump failing and this is most likely, but you'd want to be absolutely certain before dropping the tank. If your multimeter has a 20A range (or higher), you can use your jury rigged fuel pump power circuit to measure the pump current, just connect the multimeter set to its 20A range IN SERIES with the pump, and it will directly measure the pump current. I'd estimate it should draw no more than around 8A, but see if you can find a more definite spec to compare to. Edit: Just to clarify, something on the 15A EFI fuse circuit is drawing more current than it should, such that with everything connected the TOTAL current draw is too much for the 15A fuse. You'd probably find that disconnecting the O2 sensor heater would also prevent the fuse blowing, as it removes the "straw" that's breaking the 15A "camel's back." This is what makes it more difficult to diagnose, a dead short can be found easily, but excess current draw is a more subtle effect that as you've discovered can be masked by fitting a higher rated fuse. As Mandalay said, not a good idea!
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Re:My turn.... EFI fuse keeps blowing
2012/05/18 20:48:12
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I dont see that he has . He said it runs , well it would its on another circuit from the battery. Not worrying about the pump for the moment. If he disconnects the plug (pump) and puts a 15 amp fuse in relay box and turns to ignition and it blows there is something else that is drawing a lot of current. That will then need to be addressed. If it doesnt blow then it would be the pump
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Re:My turn.... EFI fuse keeps blowing
2012/05/18 20:59:55
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He had the car powered up with the normal 15A fuse in place powering everything on the 15A EFI circuit except the pump, exactly as per your suggestion. However, he went one step further and SEPARATELY powered up the fuel pump to start the car. The problem with this diagnosis however is that it still doesn't positively identify which component powered by the 15A EFI circuit is drawing excessive current. To make a clearer example, if you had two faulty electric motors on a circuit which were both drawing 15A instead of their rated 10A, they would blow the 25A fuse protecting their circuit. However disconnecting either of them would allow the other to run WITHOUT blowing the standard fuse. The diagnosis does not positively identify the fault.
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Re:My turn.... EFI fuse keeps blowing
2012/05/18 21:01:35
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1. Everything standard. Ignition on, no blow. Crank car, blow. 2. Efi circuit back to standard but without fuel pump connected. Ignition on, no blow. Crank car no blow. 3. As per 2. But with separate pump feed with 15amp fuse. Crank, starts, no blow. So ill have to check pump current (separate feed) and efi current without pump. In case something else is drawing excessive current.
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Re:My turn.... EFI fuse keeps blowing
2012/05/18 21:11:11
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Interesting what is normal current for oxygen sensor heater?
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