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Re:The DEFINITIVE legal issue(s) regarding wheels/tyres sizes
2011/08/09 11:03:15
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In QLD it used to be (the rules changed recently) 2" over the largest size available on that body shape. Did the sdub not come with 17s at the very end? Making 19s legal... I once read somewhere, I think it was when 'Dcups' was in a mag that 19s with tyres are half the total height of the car.
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Re:The DEFINITIVE legal issue(s) regarding wheels/tyres sizes
2011/08/09 11:20:08
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As you can see from these responses Daz, there is no definitive answer. Like I said in my first post, call your local registry or call an certified engineer in WA.
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Re:The DEFINITIVE legal issue(s) regarding wheels/tyres sizes
2011/08/09 12:01:32
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5SGTEI once read somewhere, I think it was when 'Dcups' was in a mag that 19s with tyres are half the total height of the car. It was in hot4's with the gold DEFECT MR2
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Re:The DEFINITIVE legal issue(s) regarding wheels/tyres sizes
2011/08/09 12:28:21
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Thats right, I really only remember the hood ornament  , hence D-cups, lol
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Re:The DEFINITIVE legal issue(s) regarding wheels/tyres sizes
2011/08/09 12:54:19
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Re:The DEFINITIVE legal issue(s) regarding wheels/tyres sizes
2011/08/09 13:16:23
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It seems there are defeinitive answers, just state-by-state; I think five threads should be created - I will take ownership of the WA thread and get as much info as I can and post the finidngs - this is very current to me right now as you well know, with the widebody rules, though essentially I had spoken to licensing proior to body modifications, and was told by a guy on the phone that you didnt need to put in an application for modification for body works., as long as there weren't any protrusions (i.e. bonnet scoops, spoilers, rear wings etc) whoich protruded more than 200mm from the body of the car.. Some comments re flushness of wheels (i.e. not exposing tyre wall/rim outside of the arch line) will come into quetsion with the widebody, as the arch lines have changed - I will as ever , post up what I find out Thanks cogs/arty/jdmr288 for the links -I DID post a thread on the old forum about legality issues which had links to all of the docs for vehicle mods - searching the new forum I can't find it now; Anyone got any ideas??
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Re:The DEFINITIVE legal issue(s) regarding wheels/tyres sizes
2011/08/09 13:22:37
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Sorry - meant to say anyone got any ideas where that thread might be??
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Re:The DEFINITIVE legal issue(s) regarding wheels/tyres sizes
2011/08/09 19:55:20
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Re:The DEFINITIVE legal issue(s) regarding wheels/tyres sizes
2011/08/10 11:08:11
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Daz I will take ownership of the WA thread and get as much info as I can and post the finidngs As I understood the WA regs, at least as they applied some years ago, the concern was with wheel width and vehicle track. In essence it said then that you could increase the width of the wheels to 1" greater than the largest factory fitted wheel subject to the track (i.e. car width measured between the centre of the wheels) not increasing by more than 1" as well. In other words, you could push the outer edge of each rim a maximum of 1" towards the outside of the car, as any more than this will make the track too wide. In practice it could be quite difficult to comply absolutely with this regulation and still achieved the desired look (that generally being wheel wells that are filled out better) because outside of custom made rims, the choice of wheel offsets is often quite limited. This was well before the craze for massive wheel diameters though, which I expect the authorities are also concerned with these days for one reason or another.
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Re:The DEFINITIVE legal issue(s) regarding wheels/tyres sizes
2011/08/10 11:54:27
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The only way I can see being able to fill the guards legally is offset. RE: different factory spec'd cars: if it's a genuine change within that model of car that comes with larger wheels...this should have a factory plaque stating the wheels' dimensions for this particular model. So if it came with 19" from the factory - 21" would be a legal choice, provided this complies with the concerning state's laws. There was discussion raised on the old forum to run JDM spec Supra plaques on our cars - as these came out with 17's all round yes? I wouldn't suspect there would be too many Japanese reading cops around. Unsure if the RTA have manuals with factory specs for each car/model for them to be able to tell.
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Re:The DEFINITIVE legal issue(s) regarding wheels/tyres sizes
2011/08/10 12:09:25
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If you change the offset, you change the track. This was very restrictive previously (25mm increase max), and mayhave even been zero for front wheel drive. It looks like the laws have been revised in Jan this year, Daz will inform everyone once he contacts the relevant department and gets some answers. Cheers
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Re:The DEFINITIVE legal issue(s) regarding wheels/tyres sizes
2011/08/10 12:20:51
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Re:The DEFINITIVE legal issue(s) regarding wheels/tyres sizes
2011/08/10 12:59:19
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from a "pit inspectors" point of view i doubt they'll know or even check increased track unless it's blindly obvious(such as DAZ's car) they just check the tyre size against the placard to make sure the rolling dia is within limits, they've never get a tape measure out to check track width, nor do they check offsets of rims.
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Re:The DEFINITIVE legal issue(s) regarding wheels/tyres sizes
2011/08/10 19:04:57
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Lads - all good input; I have compiled a list/spreadhseet with some surprising results - and track is basically the limiting factor; So it works a little something like this, though I will be putting a full formal list to the thread when I get home form work: 1. Rim width for an MR2 is legally allowed to be up to 11" and the maximum tyre width is 285 at the rears, based upon a table published in VSB14 Section LS - Tyres, Rims, Suspension and Steering. BUT this arrangement would not comply with other areas of VSB14, most notably the rolling diameter clause, which cannot increase over OEM by more than 15mm. In the case of using a 19" x 10.5" rim (for example only), this size exceeds the rolling diameter limits by over 50mm. Therefore to be acceptable to the authorities, they would have to be "certified" by an approved engineer, even though they are within the the max rim widths and tyre sizes acceptable in the published Table. Interestingly, the term "acceptable" in this case means a certification or permit is NOT required. That does not necessarily preclude you from going down the path of your own choice of wheels, as the VSB14 documentation states that the VSB's are there to assist car modifiers, though if you were pulled over, the rims were defected and you hadn't had the wheels specifically certified as a modfication and approved by the authorities, then they are considered illegal. 2. The term "engineered" means approaching one of the published list of the WA consulting engineers and obtaining a certificate for submission to the authorities for official recognition and documnetation that the wheels are safe, and do not contravene any other part of VSB14 or the ADR's. This certificate becomes a legal document for that vehicle and must remain with the vehicle, and passed on to any new owner. That said, the track increase then becomes the limiting factor - even if I could get through an engineering cert for a set of 19"s with increased (over maximum "acceptable") rolling diameter, arty is correct in a tracking increase of 25mm is maximum acceptable. This equates to a change of offset of no more than 12.5mm each side. Now, I don t know the poriginal offsets for stock rims, but I'd say a few of us may be close (without knowing it) on our 16"s and 17"s... Gotta get back to work now, but a full response is coming, as I feel I have adecent handle on it now: If anyone can supply the original OEM offsets this will clear up the tracking issue for everyone...
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Re:The DEFINITIVE legal issue(s) regarding wheels/tyres sizes
2011/08/10 19:12:18
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Funnily enough, under VSB14 Section 06 body modifications (which is of GREAT interest to me!) One is allowed to attach fibreglass replacement body panels and flares in "non-contact" body panels (defined as fenders, boot, bonnet etc) without certification, so long as the fibreglss is of minimum 3.5mm thickness. If there fibrbreglass modifications extend to structural body parts/panels, a whole raft of strength tests may apply, and a 600mm x 600mm sample must be submitted for flexural and comression strength testing. Not required in my case, fortunately. Also under this Section of VSB14, "mud guards" may be extended by "tubbing" to allow for wider wheels (to comply with the "must not stick out beyond the arch" rule); Though one can see immediately that the previous VSB rules which allow for wider wheels, also limit you in terms of track width increase. A contradiction if taken literally, though for meit is clear, and it would stand to reason that a certification for track width increase IS possible/plausible, so long as you submit your "design" to a registered engineer and he/she approves.. Obviously my "mud guards" and flares have been tubbed to allow for wider wheels, therfore there may or may not be a requirement to get them tested - we find out Saturday morning. But I am semi-armed with a decent knowledge of the VSB14 rules now - just need to run over the ADR's tonight and tomorrow night to be clued up on Saturday morning come rego/pits inspection at 09:15...
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