matt234
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RE: V6 camry, worth getting?
Tuesday, September 28, 2010 7:39 AM
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So I just got given a free Gen2 3SGTE (blown headgasket though)
Awesome.
That makes more power AND torque than a 1MZ anyway...and TRD dont even sell the supercharger for it anymore.
HAHA well it wouldn't with a blown head gasket [:p].
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RE: V6 camry, worth getting?
Tuesday, September 28, 2010 8:30 AM
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free 3SGTE lol, now thats awesome
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RE: V6 camry, worth getting?
Wednesday, September 29, 2010 8:00 AM
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IMHO, unless you're adding forced induction to the V6, you should just do a turbo swap. I don't understand why you would go to all the hassle of changing engines for only a handful more kw
*sniff sniff* (commits suicide)
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RE: V6 camry, worth getting?
Wednesday, September 29, 2010 8:54 AM
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Well Vinny, what are your reasons for doing a V6 instead of turbo?
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RE: V6 camry, worth getting?
Wednesday, September 29, 2010 9:28 AM
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Two reasons, the exhaust note and the silky smoothness. A fourpot will NEVER match a six on either of those.
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RE: V6 camry, worth getting?
Wednesday, September 29, 2010 10:53 AM
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Two reasons, the exhaust note and the silky smoothness. A fourpot will NEVER match a six on either of those.
Pretty poo poo reasons.
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RE: V6 camry, worth getting?
Wednesday, September 29, 2010 11:48 AM
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- Smoother power delivery, no laggy/peaky turbo shinanigans
- Lighter then 3SGTE
- Less complexity in the engine bay compared to a turbo
- More potential in the future if you decide to use boost
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RE: V6 camry, worth getting?
Wednesday, September 29, 2010 1:27 PM
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- smoothness/peakyness? wtf Makes the turbo more fun to drive.
- less weight, along with less power...
- Complexity? try again?
- IF, big IF.. the debate here was why bother if its just NA.
Advantages of the 3sgte far outweigh the NA v6.
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RE: V6 camry, worth getting?
Wednesday, September 29, 2010 2:40 PM
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well when i bought into it, it cost about the same as a turbo conversion because i got a good deal.
secondly, its GREAT to drive. there is so much torque everywhere in the rev range. I can pretty much drop the clutch on idle and still not stall.
im a bit of corners man myself and turbo is probably great for them but i just like the smooth power curve
and i like NA anyway, turbo feels like cheating LOL and with a camry motor. you cant complain about reliability!! (which is a MAJOR issue for me due to my previous experiences)
and im planning to get some ITB's soon too. got some quotes from a guy in Melbourne. itll cost about 1200 dollars for the fuel rail and 6 ITBs all i need is the flanges to join them to my motor and an ECU (thanks robk!) and this sucker will rev to 7500 rpm!!
and v6mr2 = honda nsx what?
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RE: V6 camry, worth getting?
Wednesday, September 29, 2010 7:04 PM
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when did I mention an nsx vinny? Lolol? And do you plan on doing cams? Koz I hope u no, our mr2 rev tacs are exaggerating our rpm by a bit on our taco? Plus I'm not sure what your 1mz is like power band wise, but it does lose steam around 6k, what's the mz like?
In regards to itbs ( general question for all ) if you compare a silver top 20v to a black top one has a afM and the other is map, going by this principal, the 3vz fe is afm, so if I was able to get itbs, connect them to a single plennum like the silver top is, and then have the afm running would this technically work? Or wont the afm compensate for the extra air? And on that note, what's the rough percentage of the air intake with itbs vs original plenum? Is it that vast? As it does run pretty rich from factory, (12.9:1-13.5:1) on full boot, what are your thoughts?
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RE: V6 camry, worth getting?
Wednesday, September 29, 2010 9:45 PM
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- Smoother power delivery, no laggy/peaky turbo shinanigans
- Lighter then 3SGTE
- Less complexity in the engine bay compared to a turbo
- More potential in the future if you decide to use boost
I'd say the V6 is permanently lagging, lol. And the original N/A engine would be lighter still right? Less complexity in hacking up the wiring loom to get the engine running? Having to have custom built parts to get things to bolt up? Well we agree on this point, I understand the V6 with forced induction, just not as a N/A. As for smoothness, lol, in a 20 yr old chassis with a thousand squeaks and rattles, probably running coilovers, you start talking about smoothness? I guess noise is subjective too, after hearing a Ferrari V8 @ 8500rpm behind your left ear, everything else just pales in comparison, so I'm not particularly impressed by a Toyota V6.
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RE: V6 camry, worth getting?
Wednesday, September 29, 2010 9:53 PM
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v6mr2 i didnt mean you i just meant a mr2 with a v6 in it.
and yes the v6 is about the same weight as the original NA engine. i think some guy weighed it int eh UK and its about 30kG lighter? (might have been 3sgte.)
i guess its just the driving feeling. the difference between a porshe and a ferrari. one will always be faster then ppl will still like them.
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RE: V6 camry, worth getting?
Wednesday, September 29, 2010 9:55 PM
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and i spoke to the ITB guy and his like. yeah shoudl be able to get it going up to 7500. at the moment i reckon itll easily pull up to 7000 and still have more except i keep hitting the limiter.
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RE: V6 camry, worth getting?
Wednesday, September 29, 2010 11:30 PM
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If you're gonna go V6 - least put the Aurion engine in there! 
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RE: V6 camry, worth getting?
Wednesday, September 29, 2010 11:58 PM
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- smoothness/peakyness? wtf Makes the turbo more fun to drive.
- less weight, along with less power...
- Complexity? try again?
- IF, big IF.. the debate here was why bother if its just NA.
Advantages of the 3sgte far outweigh the NA v6.
- Wow, lag and peakiness is more fun? Sh*7, quick everyone, go buy T70's turbro's for your cars, it will make it fully hektic fun. - I'm looking at the lower weight advantage in respect to braking, cornering and weight distribution. It might not be a big deal to the fat SW20, but to my AW11, I'm not interested in having another 100kg down the back. - Complexity in the sense you have a lot more areas for stuff to go wrong. Working on turbos and fixing them are in the majority, more expensive then a natro. quote:
Originally posted by DVST8R
I'd say the V6 is permanently lagging, lol.
And the original N/A engine would be lighter still right?
Less complexity in hacking up the wiring loom to get the engine running? Having to have custom built parts to get things to bolt up?
Well we agree on this point, I understand the V6 with forced induction, just not as a N/A.
As for smoothness, lol, in a 20 yr old chassis with a thousand squeaks and rattles, probably running coilovers, you start talking about smoothness?
- The original NA is POV compared to the V6. Unforunately displacement wins that battle. - Complexity as in the amount of things to go wrong in the engine bay. Conversion wise, the V6 is a little harder. - I don't know how you interpreted smoother power delivery as talking about how smooth the car rides on the road...
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