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Replacing Thermo/Bleeding the Coolant help

Hey everyone,
 
As we all know I struggle with everything. Hoping to replace my thermostat+gasket in the next few days.
I'm going to be following this guide for the thermostat (which looks easy enough): Thermostat Guide
I'm also considering replacing this sensor while I'm at it
 
I'm a bit unsure of how to go about bleeding the coolant system (as I assume I have to after replacing the thermostat/sensor). I've read a few guides online and here's what I've got from it, hopefully someone can help me out to make sure I end up doing it right:

- Make sure car is level. Grab the two hoses tied to firewall and put on the radiator bleeder, one on the heater core
- Hang both hoses up (ideally on the "frunk" latch) so they're above the filler neck
- Have heater slider thingy all the way to full heat
- Open both bleeder valves?
- Take off filler cap in engine bay, fill with some coolant 
- Close radiator cap (do I close the bleeders now as well?)
- Run engine at roughly 2500-ish RPM for a few minutes
- Open radiator cap again once it cools down, add more coolant mix
- Not sure from there

How can I tell when all the air is out? Sorry if this seems trivial to most of you, just don't want to cause any major damage haha. Oh and which coolant do I use? I was given some when I bought the car, pre-mixed green stuff.. not sure if it's what I need however; do certain cars need certain concentrates/water-to-coolant ratios, etc?
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    mr2y
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    Re: Replacing Thermo/Bleeding the Coolant help 2016/01/07 11:03:36 (permalink)
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    Not sure on the bleeding thing as I've never done it but with the coolant I thought green was the one to get after doing research and looking up the correct specs, but I have read on the forum that red is the better coolant. When I researched it I was under the impression red was for later cars, but some people seem to insist it's right. I wonder if there's a previous thread anyone can point us to about red vs green?
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    Re: Replacing Thermo/Bleeding the Coolant help 2016/01/07 11:07:59 (permalink)
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    Hi Hoonsy,
    Have a look in the Tech Info/How to section of this Forum.
    There is an excellent article titled SW20 Cooling System Maintenance, written by Redtarga.
    Provides all of the info & instructions needed.
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    Re: Replacing Thermo/Bleeding the Coolant help 2016/01/07 11:59:29 (permalink)
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    Yep... as Peter suggests.
    Here's the link
    http://www.mr2australia.com/mr2play/tm.aspx?m=113820
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    Re: Replacing Thermo/Bleeding the Coolant help 2016/01/07 14:00:41 (permalink)
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    Don't mix green coolant with red or you could end up with sludge.
     
    If you want to change from one type to the other make sure you do a thorough flush first. 



     
     

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    Re: Replacing Thermo/Bleeding the Coolant help 2016/01/07 14:32:20 (permalink)
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    Thanks for the link fellas

    Not sure which coolant is in the car at the moment - had the welch plugs replaced about a year ago so coolant was replaced then by the mechanic. I'll have to check
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    Re: Replacing Thermo/Bleeding the Coolant help 2016/01/07 17:35:36 (permalink)
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    Had a look and my mechanic used a red coolant. Is it safe to assume he used a 50/50 mix as well? Or in other words, if I use a 50/50 mix to top it up, will it have any negative consequences if his mix was slightly different?
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    Re: Replacing Thermo/Bleeding the Coolant help 2016/01/08 12:22:04 (permalink)
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    Hoonsy
    Had a look and my mechanic used a red coolant. Is it safe to assume he used a 50/50 mix as well? Or in other words, if I use a 50/50 mix to top it up, will it have any negative consequences if his mix was slightly different?


    For topping up a different mix shouldn't matter much.
    If you are worried about it why not ask your mechanic what mix and brand he used. 
     
     
     
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    Re: Replacing Thermo/Bleeding the Coolant help 2016/01/08 16:29:55 (permalink)
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    If I remember correctly, red isn't safe with brass or copper components (e.g. some radiator tanks for instance).  I ended up selecting green coolant as it works with everything, although at the expense of a slightly more frequent replacement schedule (5 years instead of 6).
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    Re: Replacing Thermo/Bleeding the Coolant help 2016/01/08 16:55:42 (permalink)
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    Strange as the recommended coolant is Toyota long life red and all the heater lines including the core are brass
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    Re: Replacing Thermo/Bleeding the Coolant help 2016/01/08 19:24:46 (permalink)
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    Flighter
    If I remember correctly, red isn't safe with brass or copper components (e.g. some radiator tanks for instance).  I ended up selecting green coolant as it works with everything, although at the expense of a slightly more frequent replacement schedule (5 years instead of 6).


     
    FWIW, here's what my Toyota dealer told me:
    Toyota Red is fine for your early MR2 with copper/soldered radiators/pipes, and has a better formulation than the green stuff.
     
    But don't get it mixed up with the Toyota Pink pre-mix that is designed for aluminum radiators that are used in later models.
    Toyota Pink has a completely different organic acid in it than in Toyota Red.
    The organic acid in Toyota Pink will damage brass/copper/solder heater cores in 1995 and earlier Toyotas.
     
    Five year change intervals??
    My owner's handbook says one year or 20k
     
     
     

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    Re: Replacing Thermo/Bleeding the Coolant help 2016/01/08 21:02:42 (permalink)
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    Hoonsy
    Had a look and my mechanic used a red coolant. Is it safe to assume he used a 50/50 mix as well? Or in other words, if I use a 50/50 mix to top it up, will it have any negative consequences if his mix was slightly different?


    For topping up a different mix shouldn't matter much.
    If you are worried about it why not ask your mechanic what mix and brand he used. 


    Considering it was a year ago, I doubt he'd remember. Could be worth a shot however..
    If I intend on picking up the red coolant, is there a recommended brand/mix that everyone here uses?
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    Re: Replacing Thermo/Bleeding the Coolant help 2016/01/08 21:20:02 (permalink)
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    Toyota 50/50
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    Re: Replacing Thermo/Bleeding the Coolant help 2016/01/08 21:20:50 (permalink)
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    That's why I'm confused. Toyota recommends their red mix, but doesn't it all come down to Japan having a law against silicates in coolant?
     
    Edit: apparently Japan also has silicate free green so that may not mean anything then
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    Re: Replacing Thermo/Bleeding the Coolant help 2016/01/09 00:20:46 (permalink)
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    Aight, so I'll pick up some Toyota concentrate soon then. Do you just purchase it from the dealerships? And if so, do I literally ask for "Toyota red coolant"? Never done this before
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