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Air Intake System - what are all the parts?
Hi all I am new to MR2's having recently bought a very clean stock 1991 SW20 NA. As we all do, I am reading a lot about how to improve performance - but I don't want to go to the extent of adding on a turbo. Just some incremental stuff. So I started to look at the stock air intake system I have, but I don't understand what all the parts are.  (not sure if this picture uploaded - finding the forum site difficult to use) In the picture I have located three parts (Boxes A,B,C). Can someone tell me: 1. What are each part? 2. What do they do? 3. Will I get better air intake if I remove them? (i.e. a performance gain) 4. What are the negatives if I remove them? Thanks Dwaine
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Re: Air Intake System - what are all the parts?
2013/09/22 06:41:13
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Sorry moderator, I wanted this post to go in the engine category. Any advice on how to move it there and to add pictures? Thanks, Dwaine.
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Re: Air Intake System - what are all the parts?
2013/09/22 08:17:47
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Toyota already made the stock air intake system on these cars very efficient. Very easy to end up with less power if you mess with it. Expensive aftermarket panel filters will do SFA, so don't be conned by advertising bull****.
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Re: Air Intake System - what are all the parts?
2013/09/22 09:47:34
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New users can't upload files. Make a few more posts and then you'll be able to.
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Re: Air Intake System - what are all the parts?
2013/09/22 11:29:06
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Thanks Glenn. Great forum and active MR2 community that are willing to help new owners. Thanks Reddtarga. Yes, I have learned on this forum to be very careful about putting a pod filter on because apparently they do very little and suffer from not getting good cold air intake. I have heard anecdotal stuff about high-flow drop in panel filters (e.g. K&N) but was uncertain about how good they were. BTW, the three parts I referred to in the picture (which I can't upload) were; A - A bulbous looking thing that is located after the air filter box and sits on top of the throttle body air intake tube B - A trapezoidal looking box which is also located after the air filter box and connects to the throttle body air intake tube C - A large rounded shape that hangs in the top corner of the engine bay and appears to connect to the air filter box before the filter itself. Does anyone know what they do?
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Re: Air Intake System - what are all the parts?
2013/09/22 12:46:28
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Those are all resonator chambers. Some people claim they are to reduce air intake noise at certain frequencies, however it is also claimed that they are part of the whole tuned intake system.
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Re: Air Intake System - what are all the parts?
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Re: Air Intake System - what are all the parts?
2013/09/22 21:22:56
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Dwaine, I've removed the stock airbox and I can say that those parts definitely function as as a muffler. If you decide to go with a pod you will notice a change, and different setups will sound different too. Whether it sounds better or not is going to be a matter of personal preference, its pretty easy to to do an install by yourself so give it a go and see what you think. Is the stock setup restrictive? Maybe. Enough to make a difference? No, at least not in my experience. This mod is essentially an aesthetic one, it will pretty up your engine bay and hopefully sound nicer. As far as it negatively impacting performance, you'd have to do a pretty bad install for that to happen, so as long as you put a bit of effort in you'll be fine. I can post up a pic of my setup if your interested? I should mention that I did notice better response and subjectively more power at high rpm's after I installed my intake, but on the same day I also put in new headers and exhaust. I personally attributed the differences to the exhaust mods but it is possible that the intake had a positive effect. The only way to find out is to do some experimenting :)
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Re: Air Intake System - what are all the parts?
2013/09/23 11:40:33
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Reddtarga Toyota already made the stock air intake system on these cars very efficient. Very easy to end up with less power if you mess with it.
I can vouch for that, the difference I got in the AW11 revving under load and response was phenomenal when I took the pod filter out of the enigne bay (was originally in the boot) and put a fully stock intake system back in with stock filter. the car just seemed to run sooo much nicer.
87' AW11 4AGE 00' ZZW30 1ZZFE 01' ZZW30 1ZZFE Race car Edition
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Re: Air Intake System - what are all the parts?
2013/09/23 17:56:30
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Thanks Steve and Wiso I certainly like the look of the pod but I am also interested in sound. Some photos would be good to see Steve. So far no one has said that there is a real and definite performance boost, in fact most say the opposite. I think I might start by experimenting with removing some of the resonators and see how the sound changes. If I am going to spend money I think I might start with a high flow cat and high flow muffler system. Thanks for all the advice guys.
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Re: Air Intake System - what are all the parts?
2013/10/08 19:27:08
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I'm very interested on this one as well - I'm not a fan of the aesthetics of having those resonators there - I get Toyota knew what they were doing, but being a fan of engine noise vs. exhaust noise, I'd love to see what a stainless intake would do to the sound the engine makes. Was thinking of getting one custom fabbed, deleting only the resonators.
The only reason I say this is my best mate has a 2005 liberty, similar thing replaced the stock intake pipe w/2 resonators with an aluminium pipe, and the engine went from sounding like a sewing machine to something respectable... not that 3sge's sound like sewing machines mind you ;) I'm just amazed that there is very little information on this, and I can't seem to find any decent aftermarket solutions.
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Re: Air Intake System - what are all the parts?
2013/10/08 20:13:05
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Hi Boof. I have since removed the small bulbous resonator and the medium trapezoidal one. There is barely any sound difference, but maybe it is a tinier bit more raspy. I kept the OEM intake hose and taped over the holes very securely. I haven't yet ventured to take off the large chamber. But will remove it soon. I am just experimenting at the moment too see what differences occur. I figure that the small resonator traps higher pitch frequencies as longer sound waves wouldn't be able to enter it. The same reasoning says the other two resonators trap middle and long sound waves. I am yet to dismantle the whole system to see the design of the large chamber,but it enters the air filter box before the filter panel. I am wondering if the cold air intake hose goes into the large chamber to smooth airflow before it enters the airbox. From what I can tell so far by inspecting the design of the system I don't think there is any real airflow restriction. It is pretty much all straight lines. The only change in air flow direction occurs in the air box and it is so large in comparison to the tube going in and out that it could almost be considered a straight through design. So, I am considering installing a K&N panel filter just to see for myself the effect. I have found one on Amazon.com for about US$40. This is cheap enough that I don't care if it does nothing and I remove it. I am interested in your custom steel intake tube idea. Let me know if you end up doing it and how it works out. I do wonder how you will design it to take the emission control tube again. Cheers Dwaine
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Re: Air Intake System - what are all the parts?
2013/10/08 22:51:53
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In my experience the resonators barely make a sound difference, it is the massive final resonator closest to the air vent also known as the baffle (which can act as an air reserve supposedly for low down torque) that makes the biggest change in sound if you remove it. And it sounds bloody brilliant removed! The stock baffle is also a stock cold air feed of some sort but kills the sound :( .What you can do (cheap and efficient) is keep the stock airbox, remove the massive resonator/baffle and attach a flex hose from airbox to the air vent + bell mouth. Problem is there's barely any room down there however reddtarga has done something very similar. Exhaust noise is not really that great on any I4, it is the intake noise that makes the music imo. And strange that I never thought about it but stainless steel might actually make some difference (better sound) as evident from Boof's mate. If you do a small search there should be a couple epic threads on modifying the intake (few pages long) going into good detail. There's barely any aftermarket solution cos mid engine design is not very common as we know and front engines are much easier to work on. Best bet is custom my friend :/ (but the benefits outweigh cons in owning an MR2  )
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Re: Air Intake System - what are all the parts?
2013/10/08 23:01:43
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If you want to see what a pod sounds like check out this vid, its an apexi pod and the exhaust system in standard. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k-TKcWWBZ0g And check out this guide on how to install an induction kit, its a great guide with pics of every step and he uses a stainless pipe like Boof is thinking. He does retain part of the stock system but you can choose to exchange that piece with hose as he explains. http://www.mr2oc.co.uk/know-your-2-knowledge-base/mr2-mk2.html?kbartid=158 I used this guide as a reference when I installed mine and it made things a lot easier!
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Re: Air Intake System - what are all the parts?
2013/10/09 23:18:37
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I've made the switch to Toyota after owning 2 Nissan Silvias... and consequently the community that goes along with it. I won't lie, there's a pretty big smile on my face seeing just how civil and informative those answers are, and that's only my first post! I completely get the arguement for intake noise vs. exhaust noise... Old mate who owns the Liberty also has an original Levin Hachi with a 4age powered by a Motec, and when that thing comes on song it's absolute porn for the ear holes. I figure in this case with the engine being right behind me, and the exhaust behind it, and the sound that the 3sge makes about 5 grand, it is certainly something that needs to be accenuated - for no-one else's benefit except my own :D Dwaine - rad how methodically you've looked at this. I know Toyota worked with Yamaha on their intake designs, hence why it's probably so detrimental to look at removing the resonators. What I don't understand though is if it's effectively a straight piece of pipe, how removing the resonators and replacing it with a straight section of pipe wouldn't do the same job. Surely the resonators would disturb the air coming in... I don't know, I'm just spitballing here. In regards to the emission tube though, was thinking of just getting a nipple welded onto the pipe - all it needs to be is something for that hose to attach to. You're not wrong Tree... haven't even owned my MR2 for a month and I've already figured out just how hard it is to source some parts... especially given how easy Nissan's were... but I think in this case that's certainly what makes it so much more worthwhile :) Plus just the balance it offers... Bliss! Steve_A, nice find on that write-up. The previous owner for me had already installed a pod filter, so one can only assume he's removed the large chamber as well... but I think that might be my project this weekend, just checking what I'm actually working with. I am a big fan of running hosing from the inlet up to the intake though, will certainly look into that. I think based on all of this, I need to cost up a stainless intake pipe - even if it's just for sh*ts and giggles!!
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