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2013/06/06 18:10:38 (permalink)
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Tell Dotars what you think

I've recieved an email from Geoff Risby @ Prestige Motorsports
 
It would be awesome if we can get some of our MR2s and other cars to imported without the current restrictions we have.
 
http://www.infrastructure.gov.au/vehicles/mv_standards_act/files/MVSA_consultation_paper.pdf
 
It would be nice if we can consolidate our comments and opinions for submission as a group rather than just individual
 
Closing date is 21 June 2013 (so if people can have their comments in by the 19th if you want a group submission)
 
Any questions please dont hesitate to comment
 
 
 
 
(Please note, this post is currently not related to the MR2 Club of Australia NSW Club)
 

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    IMR22C
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    Re: Tell Dotars what you think 2013/06/06 20:28:58 (permalink)
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    Regarding safety, the
    overriding purpose
    for the legislation was clear.

    Each year in Australia some 2,800 people are killed on our roads and 30,000
    seriously injured. In addition to the trauma and suffering which results from these
    crashes, the aftermath of this carnage costs the Australian
    community some
    $5,700m
    annually.

     
    I wonder how much of this was caused by imports?
     
    I find it ridiculous the amount of laws in place regarding to imports, when there are millions of ADM cars that don't even comply with the ADR's. For example, most softroaders don't comply with the ADR's in regards to rear number plate visibility, but having a tow ball obscure your number plate is a $324 and 3 demerit point fine (from experience).
    And I could almost guarantee I only got booked because I was a red P plate driver at the time - But that's a completely different kettle of fish.
     
    I know only a minor example, but how many times have you heard of a modified car being defected for an obscured number plate?
     
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    Re: Tell Dotars what you think 2013/06/06 21:53:41 (permalink)
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    IMR22C
    Regarding safety, the
    overriding purpose
    for the legislation was clear.

     
    I wonder how much of this was caused by imports?
     
    I find it ridiculous the amount of laws in place regarding to imports, when there are millions of ADM cars that don't even comply with the ADR's. For example, most softroaders don't comply with the ADR's in regards to rear number p
     
    I know only a minor example, but how many times have you heard of a modified car being defected for an obscured number plate?
     
    End rant




     
    I thought the import laws were to protect the overpriced local car market? 
     
    I have heard of a few imported or modified cars being fined for number plate things, JDM slot is too small - if you bend the plate you can be fined, or if the plate is obscured. Mostly Subaru tow bars block the plate - but you'll see examples of utes and bikes racks where you cant see the plate - I think they do it to avoid traffic cameras.
     
    $398 too now I think.

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    Re: Tell Dotars what you think 2013/06/07 07:50:09 (permalink)
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    Thanks for the responses guys, and i agree that import laws are their to protect the local car market. But in australia do we really need a car manufacting as part of the local industry. Other countries are just a financial viable such as Singapore etc have a equally good economy without the use this industry. Considering Ford is about to about 500 workers which will have a flow on effect to other car reliant industries, sales of locally cars are dropping where does australia stand in terms of car manufacturing and imports.
     
    My submission would something like as follows. (sorry it may be a bit out in terms of grammer and formatting)
     
    Whiles i'd agree with the local import laws to protect the local car market, its obvious that car manufacturing in australia is not a viable option moving forward with the high australia dollar and increased employment wages. Further more,  where does it fit in with car enthusiats like the MR2 where even though the car sold here for a period time, the car itself is no longer able to sold, and the only option would be able imports. This reduces the amount of the  people that were not able to purchase car when it was available, thus reducing numbers of members on various car forums and clubs and the like.
     
    Opening up the import market to to enable car enthusiats to able to import cars which are no longer available to purchased in australia would give more enthusiats options in terms of hobby. The majority of car enthusiats have 2 cars in the first place and the hobby only driven on weekends and not used for a daily driver.
     
    Considerations for car enthusiats for the market would be greatly appreciated when moving forward with the decisions made by the department for example
    1. to protect.....
    2. Importing car regulations
    3.
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    5
     
     
     
    You get what i mean.

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    Re: Tell Dotars what you think 2013/06/07 09:25:46 (permalink)
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    It's a nice idea, need to find the right balance.

    I'd like to see the criteria change to include pre 95 model cars which are old enough to no longer threaten the local industry.

    Compliance should remain strict & regulated. I believe import yards need a crack down. All new import car sales must be accompanied with a Jap dereg cert to protect the consumers. Avoids all the wound back lemons coming through.

    At the moment, the cert goes to ACT after compliance & I don't know if it can be retrieved.

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    Re: Tell Dotars what you think 2013/06/07 10:46:35 (permalink)
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    MR2QIK
    It's a nice idea, need to find the right balance.

    I'd like to see the criteria change to include pre 95 model cars which are old enough to no longer threaten the local industry.

    Compliance should remain strict & regulated. I believe import yards need a crack down. All new import car sales must be accompanied with a Jap dereg cert to protect the consumers. Avoids all the wound back lemons coming through.



    I agree. 
    And I think anything sent in may have more impact if it is a group submission that also pushed the 'Classic' and 'Car Club Enthusiast' aspect.
     
     
     

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    Re: Tell Dotars what you think 2013/06/07 11:12:08 (permalink)
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    You also need to look at it from an owner perspective.
     
    What happens to the price of your ADM MR2 GT when the market is flooded with a lot of JDM models with apparently lower kms and in better condition?
     
    I do agree some car markets are overpriced, however I would probably sit on the fence here when it comes to the SW20 being overpriced in Australia. They are a brilliant car and should hold their value.
    It's a double edged sword. I personally think the SEVS idea is a good thing, and although I think the price we pay to import a car is ridiculous compared to other parts of the world, including geographically similar regions like NZ, we still need to acknowledge there's a difference between cars that never made it to Australia, and cars that were sold here, abeit in limited numbers.
     
    Some models like the NSX were sold in ridiculously low numbers and could allow for limited number import each year without affecting price of local models too much. The SW20 though is a bit more of a touchy subject.
     
    The MR-S manual version should be allowed to be imported though, it's a grade of car that never made it to Australia, but again it would probably hurt the price of local SMT models, which are already at a fair price as it is.
    If you take the AW11 as an example however, the price did affect the local models for some period, but now that the car is getting older and fast approaching classic status, the numbers have fixed themselves over a longer period, this also needs to be considered.

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    Re: Tell Dotars what you think 2013/06/07 12:39:52 (permalink)
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    I don't think SW20 or MR2 values in general would be affected. Keep in mind, they've very much bottomed out already. Price has stabilized & condition is the main differentiator. You can now get a poor condition MR2 turbo for as low as $5000 in some cases. Better condition examples fetch $8-15k depending on rarity & level of modification.

    If SW20's were eligible, a decent condition Gen3 would still be $10-12k landed, similar price to what I've seen for the past few years, but a bit more readily available. I watch Jap auctions & dealer stock on a near daily basis.

    If P player restrictions continue & compliance approval is kept strict, there's no risk to local market & enthusiasts like us win. I'll get a second SW20 for my daily :)

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    Re: Tell Dotars what you think 2013/06/07 12:42:13 (permalink)
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    And I could fulfill my childhood dream of owning an NSX :-)

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    Re: Tell Dotars what you think 2013/06/07 12:53:56 (permalink)
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    MR2QIK
    And I could fulfill my childhood dream of owning an NSX :-)



    You and me both. Stashing away a wad of cash and moving to japan for at least a year so I'm eligible to bring one back as a personal import is always an option.

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    Re: Tell Dotars what you think 2013/06/18 10:00:43 (permalink)
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    Here is something that has been prepared before by Geoff Risby, would be great if everyone could email them and modify/add as they feel fit to reflect their thoughts.
     
    Department of Infrastructure and Transport
    MVSAreview@infrastructure.gov.au
     
    Re:         Public consultation process on the Motor Vehicle Standards Act 1989 (the Act) and its Regulations
    The purpose for the regulations is to improve the safety, environmental performance and security of road vehicles in Australia.
    This is not being achieved effectively by the current application of the regulations which restricts the import of vehicles that would better meet these criteria.
     
    Suggested Amendments
    We need a nationally uniform system that is clear and fair, giving Australians access to the best possible vehicles from around the world at the lowest prices.  The newest, safest and most efficient vehicles should be encouraged and restrictions to competition removed.
     
    • Create an Imported Vehicle Scheme (IVS) based on the SEVS framework
     
    • RAWs to continue under the same general guidelines
     
    • Make it easier and less expensive for RAWs to add new models to their schedule
     
    • Move towards adopting uniform UNECE international standards rather than separate ADR’s
     
    • Accept alternative emissions evidence to avoid expensive testing arrangements
     
    • Allow OEM catalytic convertors and charcoal canisters to be retained, unless faulty
     
    • Allow HID headlights (conversion reduces quality / safety)
     
    • Allow the import of any vehicle younger than 10 years, up to 500 vehicles per RAW per year. Quota to be reviewed and increased annually for gradual phase-in.
     
    • Retain existing rules and quotas for specialist and enthusiast vehicles to meet niche demand
     
    • Allow the import of enthusiast, classic or historic vehicles over 25 years old. Compliance by RAWs to ensure quality, safety and emissions standards.  100 vehicle quota per RAW per year.  Vehicles with safety and emissions enhancements (e.g. brakes, suspension, steering, newer engines etc.) to be allowed.
     
    These simple amendments would achieve the aim of the Act and Regulations, save lives, and benefit the environment.  Many new businesses would also be created, resulting in a more innovative industry and thousands of new and sustainable jobs across Australia.
    The global cost of vehicles is a fundamental consideration.
    Australia has one of the most aging vehicle fleets of any developed nation.  This is a direct result of limited competition and choice, which keeps prices high and consumer options low.
    Competition drives down second-hand vehicle prices and makes better cars more affordable.
    Better vehicles could be imported from other countries for significantly lower prices.
    Access to lower cost, newer, safer, more efficient, and more secure vehicles would remove inferior vehicles from Australian roads.
    Newer and safer vehicles mean fewer accidents, injuries and fatalities on our roads, and less impact on the environment through lower emissions and reduced fuel use.
    First car buyers aged between 17 to 25 years often have a limited budget and can only afford vehicles that are 15 to 30 years old.  Drivers in this age group are most at risk of accidents involving death or serious injury, and would benefit most from access to better vehicles.
    If these drivers could instead afford a 6 to 10 year old vehicle, this alone would result in an immediate and measurable improvement in road safety as well as saving many young lives and the associated trauma to their family and the significant cost to society as a whole.
    Road deaths have decreased in the 24 years since the introduction of the Act.  However, much of this could be attributed to significant improvements in vehicle safety in that time including airbags and ABS brakes.  Serious injury crashes have not decreased in real terms during the same period.
    Considerable improvements would be possible with access to safer and cheaper vehicles.
    Amendments should be made to progressively remove the restrictions on imported secondhand vehicles while still maintaining the quality of vehicles imported through a monitored scheme.
    With the closure of manufacturing plants in Australia, the perceived need for protection of local jobs is more ill-founded than ever.
    The current application of the rules appears to protect the interests of a handful of large international car manufacturers.  This is not in the best interests of Australians, local business, road safety, or the environment.
    There is always resistance to change however the many possibilities and benefits should be recognised and taken into account with this review.  This is a tremendous opportunity to make a real difference to road safety and the impact of Australian vehicles on the environment.
     
    Yours Sincerely
     
     
    17th June 2013

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