Absy
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overheating issue wierd
So replaced the water pump over.the weekend all good. went for a test run... started to heat up... so i.got a new thermostat... pulled.out the.old to replace.. and well they gave me the wrong thermostat... joy.... boiled.some water to test my.old.one as it even looks fairly.new... worked (didnt get to test proper temp as no thermometer) drilled out the bleeder hole a.touch.larger... and reinstalled... rebleed... test run... all.good. gave it.a.bit.of a workout for some time. all seemed fine... went for a drive cross brisbane.. all good until 2nd light from where i was headed... started to heat up.. threw the heater on full blast.. temp came back.down.... quickly... got to.next light... up she.jumped again...
Thoughts? was thinking maybe the thermostat is sticky.. and every once in a wjile gets stuck needing more pressure from more heat to pop the seal...
so bout the full stops... typing on phone on the side of the road. waiting for her to.cool.down some.
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Absy
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Re: overheating issue wierd
2013/04/25 19:47:37
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Update .... couldn't be thermostat, as while driving / cruising ... it will stay constant, normal operating temperature, only heats up while idle, pulled the plug on the Thermo-fan switch leaving them on as a constant to get me home. Starting to fear the worst and think it may be a warped head, turbo spools, push's air into the cooling system ... after a while it would create enough of a bubble to heat. Anyone got any tricks to test this before I decide to pull the head off?...
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Re: overheating issue wierd
2013/04/25 21:39:22
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Do the thermo fans work? With the switch plugged in went through this myself,
Fans wouldn't turn on, bled the system properly, fixed my problem Also fixed my overheating issue
Test thermostat Take the thermostat out and see if that helps
Check if you have warped the head Do a comp test any that are dramatically out will usually be two cylinder that are next to each other Will tell you if the head gasket had blown or you have warped it, also of there is water in your oil? Milky colour head gasket/head issue
Is it the correct water pump? Etc Alot of the aftermarket ones are junk
But sounds to me you have air in the system Because if you had blown the head you would defo know you had, by now
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Absy
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Re: overheating issue wierd
2013/04/25 21:46:57
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Had several cars before that have blown heads etc and no water in oil etc, the water pump I used was a GMC, same that came out. Bleeding of the system may be overlooking something?... did seem a touch odd with the 2 bleeder hoses up they did not seem to be at the same level ... close though... also, ever so slowly it does seem to drink the water.. so air in the system may be the key .. I have tried the 3 minute idle with both bleeders shut off, and both open, both times with radiator on one click. Have also tried filling up the filler cap .. and releasing water from the bottom of the radiator recap, top up and open bleeder again (to pull excess air from the lines). The other thing is that it seems to take a little time before it starts happening, like 20mins or so..
post edited by Absy - 2013/04/25 22:39:46
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Re: overheating issue wierd
2013/04/25 22:06:44
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It might sound odd but I would try bypassing the heater pipes. The heater pipes are prone to crack above the fuel tank and I swear this was causing my water temp issues, whether it was slowly pushing water out there or sucking air in and would never let the system to be bled properly. Just connect the heater entry and exit together at the rear of the engine with one of the pipes to eliminate it for the time being. Worth a shot I think.
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Re: overheating issue wierd
2013/04/25 22:59:49
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Could be worth a look into, but I am sure I would at least see drips while either at idle, or right after it was turned off, I've watched it meticulously during the "test" I performed, may try that simply to eliminate that as a problem though, cheers.
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Re: overheating issue wierd
2013/04/26 09:24:22
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very often this is caused by air in the cooling system. Open the bleed screw on the radiator and check that water is coming out, then retighten, then open the bleed screw above the gearbox and check for water coming out again, then retighten.
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Re: overheating issue wierd
2013/04/26 09:33:40
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"the water pump I used was a GMC, same that came out". What is a GMC??? Some aftermarket pump inserts have smaller vanes than the OEM ones so it is always recommended to use genuine Toyota replacements. "ever so slowly it does seem to drink the water, so air in the system may be the key".It does seem suggest that air is still in the system. Patience is needed with MR2's and it is not uncommon to have to top up for a week or so after refilling the system. "did seem a touch odd with the 2 bleeder hoses up they did not seem to be at the same level".. I have found that if air is still in the heater, the level can be lower in it's bleeder hose until it is purged out. BTW, have you tried feeling the pipes in the frunk to monitor the coolant temp in and out of the radiator. Could tell you if the coolant is circulating ok.
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Re: overheating issue wierd
2013/04/26 09:34:41
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Gatesys SW20 Do the thermo fans work?
^This! Check the thermofans first. If the overheating only happens when you're stationary, it is most likely a problem with the thermofans.
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Re: overheating issue wierd
2013/04/26 09:41:40
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do a pressure test on the cooling system. That way you will find out hidden leaks. Mine only leaked after 10mins of testing and it was very little. Turned out to be a cracked block near the waterpump area
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Re: overheating issue wierd
2013/04/26 09:50:00
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I had a similar issue on a car once. It was the head gasket that was gone. Cylinders would start to boil the coolant through the warn head gasket. Sometimes it would be alright especially on the move but once you stop or go on a really long drive it would start again. Pressure test will be able to tell you.
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Re: overheating issue wierd
2013/04/26 19:45:26
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Might grab a few bits n pieces tomorrow to make a pressure "Plug" for the filler cap, anyone know a good pressure to throw into it?... don't exactly want to bust any pipes / radiator cores. ... leave it plugged up over an hour or so and see if there's any change... All good ideas though, Hoping there is no major damage, but all was working pretty well just before I changed the water pump. #Redtarga, there shouldn't be a problem with the GMC water pump as it was the exact same one that I pulled out to replace it with, and was working 100% before, only changed it because the inner seal wore out. Started leaking through the tell-tale hole. I have checked the Radiator lines, before removing the thermostat on a test run after changing the water pump, it did get hot with radiator lines staying stone cold (down the road) heated up ... then quickly went back to normal, got home, and radiator lines where warm (operating temp) This was one of the first things I checked as soon as I pulled up, and yes they where warm. I am thinking there may still be a few pockets of air, possibly gathering in the return radiator tank preventing the thermo switch from being activated, and leaving the fans to stay off. Have had this happen not too long ago, rebleed and all was good again.... fun fun times...
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Re: overheating issue wierd
2013/04/26 21:17:22
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Ok so I'm assuming you know how to bleed it properly (I got annoyed when ppl kept telling me it was air pockets when it wasn't lol cos I bleed it dozens of times) Just to clarify, does the temp needle rise up slowly or is it erratic? "The other thing is that it seems to take a little time before it starts happening, like 20mins or so.." - Do you mean the temp gauge? At one stage my engine would overheat 65% of the time from cold start up, but after I turn it on and flog it the 2nd time it would be normal. Hey Ethan there doesn't need to be water mixed with oil or coolant for the head gasket to go. At a very very early stage there would be bubbles coming out of the filler neck slowly so even then it might be hard to tell. Last thing you wanna do is take it apart :S Luckily before I bit the bullet and decided to take it apart, my problem was actually faulty wiring that made the temp needle spastic. 3 Track days confirm that hehe. I believe the system pressure is 13 psi
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Re: overheating issue wierd
2013/04/26 21:39:28
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I would make sure your thermo fans work properly
Because mine stopped working and it would overheat
This was the turbo one So what I did checked relays then the switch all had power
So I decided to bleed the system did it for a solid 20 - 30 mins
Both clear hoses up front on the bleeders held above the filler neck so the air rises Pressure cap off Idle till warm
Continue topping up filler to top of neck Water in the hoses should not rise above filler neck
Lots of bubbles from filler neck and clear lines
Close bleeders pressure cap on first click Held at 2-3000 rpm whilst brother rocked the car For a few minutes opened bleeders Lots of air and bubbles Opened pressure cap continued topping up
And rinse and repeat
Towards the end my fans started working again (huzzah)
Not an issue since Knew it wasn't a head or gasket issue as my comp readings were spot on
But I also was boiling coolant
I will almost gurantee it's air in the system
Also not sure if yours is turbo or not But if it is May well be the hose from hell
But other then that could be a crap water pump or thermostat Any toyota should keep thermostats on the shelf As there the same used in many other toyotas
And also tree is right aswell I was just saying in a severe case
The head being warped I highly doubt.
Start with the easy stuff Never heard if a bleeder near the gearbox? I thought that was a drain point, I thought it had 3 bleed points 2 up front Then the pressure cap/filler neck
Good luck :)
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Re: overheating issue wierd
2013/04/26 21:40:06
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No the temp is not erratic, it does rise rather slowly when it does rise. All the information I have read including the toyota 3sge manual would be right in saying that both the bleeder hoses are to be raised above the filler neck, while car is on level ground. after filling to the point it won't take more, you replace the cap to the first click and start the engine until it reaches operating temperature (so the thermostat opens) and give it another couple of minutes of idle, to ensure most or all air bubbles have been circulated through to the highest points in the cooling system (IE radiator bleeder hose, heater bleeder hose, and filler cap). Would I be correct in saying this is the right way to bleed one? That is a slightly different way to what I have read, but I am going to get stuck back into it tomorrow, so I will also try this way you suggest. Thanks Gatesys. The "hose from hell"? I have seen a post about this, but wasn't after that information so skimmed past it, are you referring to water cooling hoses to the turbo, I have turbo and non turbo, the one giving me troubles at the moment is a turbo. REPCO did have a thermostat, however it was miles too large at the outer rim / "lip", so instead I opted to boil my old one as it even looks rather new, and opened the bleeder holes a touch.
post edited by Absy - 2013/04/26 21:47:26
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