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Re: Lightweight alternators.... 2013/04/07 18:10:42 (permalink)
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I think one of the US SW20 models came with a 70A alt. The lightweight alt bracket racerx makes comes with a washer/shim so you can use the smaller alt.
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Re: Lightweight alternators.... 2013/04/07 19:14:49 (permalink)
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That would have been on a 5sfe i guess.
 
If only this ebay store had weights next to all these alternators:- http://stores.ebay.com.au...0.m14.l1513&_pgn=2
 
post edited by kameleon - 2013/04/07 19:50:49
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Re: Lightweight alternators.... 2013/04/07 20:36:15 (permalink)
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Yeah biggest saving will be the bracket for sure. 
 
I will be running a smaller alternator then the 100 yes.
 
From factory, can the 80 and 100 be swapped? or do they have different thickness mounting?
 
Ian are you able to measure the thickness of the bottom mounting tab/bolt location? The 100A i have is 58mm.
 
Suppose smaller output will be same or smaller if anything, can always shim it out with some washers.
 
BTW the same manufacturer/design/technology alternator ect on the same car, the 100A wont have any more load on the motor then the 80A
 
Another trick is to turn off the alternator (cut the ign wire to it) to stop the load on the motor when required (during short runs or TPS over 95% ect) and gain a few KW's, but thats a different topic.
 
Ill be keeping the alt in the factory location, no vac or dry sump pump, dry sump would be nice but alot of weight, more connections and parts mean more things to fail ect, ill test the car, if i dont need it i dont need it.
Only spot to relocate is AC location i guess, but much hotter and higher COG.




Given the same loading the alternator will not load the motor any more.  If you are going to turn the alternator 'off' by disconnecting the excitation current you'll certainly want to make sure sure all your trims are tuned correctly.   Fuel pumps and injectors do not operate the same at the reduced voltage, even if it is only a few volts.
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Re: Lightweight alternators.... 2013/04/07 20:51:07 (permalink)
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For factory size options for guys Ill have a look at some alternator catalogues when im down at dads old shop soon, see what has weights, altho doubt they will be accurate. Just had a look at one site i know i have a cat for, it does show weights, but again single digits weights, hard to compare, prob just shipping weights. 
 
Looking at Denso, factory size specs, shows a 70A at 5kg (Ians says his 80 was less then 5kg) and a 100A at 6KG. 
 
like very very common Sv21 camry http://www.pinpoint.aea.com.au/Guest_pc_alt.aspx?pn=ALT1091&id=5072&ptbl=Alternator 
Hole centres i think are 1mm out, shouldnt matter on factory bracket, deff wont matter with racer x light bracket which has rose joints and threaded rod. Battery stud is on the side (boot side)
 
Need to get a 80, or camry 70 and a 100 or other alt and put them on the same scale, not different ones all around the world. 
 
post edited by WIDEMR - 2013/04/07 21:01:57
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Re: Lightweight alternators.... 2013/04/07 20:58:47 (permalink)
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Also a smaller output alternator will have smaller and, generally, lighter rotor, meaning less reciprocating mass, light weight fly wheel lovers will be all over this, so will spool up faster.

 
Under load tho i dunno how its affected.
 
 
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Re: Lightweight alternators.... 2013/04/08 09:57:53 (permalink)
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WIDEMR
Yeah biggest saving will be the bracket for sure. 
 
I will be running a smaller alternator then the 100 yes.
 
From factory, can the 80 and 100 be swapped? or do they have different thickness mounting?
 
Ian are you able to measure the thickness of the bottom mounting tab/bolt location? The 100A i have is 58mm.



The bottom tab on both the 80 amp alternators I have is exactly 57 mm wide.
If the turbo one is 58 mm that is not much difference, but comparing it to the NA alt as you say there is a difference between the hole centers of that mounting tab and the adjustment tab so you can't fit an NA alt to a stock turbo bracket.
 
A while ago I found these weights but I'm not sure if they are exact:
Camry 70 amp alternator 9 lbs 11 oz. (4.3kg)
MR2 turbo alternator 13 lbs. 8 oz. (6.1 kg)
MR2 NA alternator  5 kg 
MR2 NA bracket  6 kg.
MR2 turbo bracket? 
Hux bracket stock position 1 lbs 15 oz. (.87 kg)
MR2OC (USA) aluminum billet bracket 1 lb 7 oz. (.65kg)
 
You're right about the bracket.
The bracket I use that I fabricated from mild steel for the stock mounting position saved about 4 kg over the stock NA bracket.
 
post edited by Reddtarga - 2013/04/08 10:04:12

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Re: Lightweight alternators.... 2013/04/08 16:31:55 (permalink)
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Racer X Aluminium bracket (bottom, top and adjustment rod) 846 grams
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Re: Lightweight alternators.... 2013/04/10 20:42:14 (permalink)
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looks like its just a matter of going to a place that have lots of options with some scales.
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Re: Lightweight alternators.... 2013/04/19 20:39:28 (permalink)
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http://www.lynxae.co.uk/Products-alternators.htm

Dunno if you have seen these guys before, but their 140a alternator weighs in at 6kg, and they make their stuff with denso parts for most things.

As for "switching off" an alternator, i would only attempt it on a 3 wire alternator with a l-ion battery, as the voltage drop would be catastrophic otherwise.

Depending on ecu choice, you could switch to a 4 wire off a later model car to duty cycle control the alternator, so it doesn't load up when you don't need it to, and i'm assuming this is what Brendan is referring to, as thats how a lot of modern cars are. For example with a pnp m800 for sti's and evos the computer will switch off the aircon compressor and run the alternator at minimum duty to maintain voltage at high throttle inputs.

Ultimately your 100a requirement will be the killer, you can find some 3kg 80a 4 wire alternators fairly easily. Maybe you should adapt a suzuki swift or similar steering coloumn into your car and run a manual rack.....

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Re: Lightweight alternators.... 2013/04/19 20:42:51 (permalink)
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otherwise look at light aircraft 100a alternators, you'd have to check on the speed you can run them at and sort an appropriate pulley, but one i quickly looked at comes in at 12lb, or 5.45kgish.
http://www.nationalairpar...small-case-alternator/

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Re: Lightweight alternators.... 2013/04/24 18:46:53 (permalink)
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Might be time to go 80A and see what happens....
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Re: Lightweight alternators.... 2013/04/30 09:43:15 (permalink)
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Re lightweight alt mounting brackets:
There must be a lot more stress on the bracket than I imagined, because I just checked all the mounting bolts on my lightweight fabricated bracket and tensioner assy and found some of them loose with a couple missing.
They certainly weren't that way when I fitted it, and I will have to check them more often in future or use a bit of Loctite.
Maybe Toyota knew what they were doing with the stock heavy cast one lol.

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Re: Lightweight alternators.... 2013/04/30 10:36:00 (permalink)
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Yeah there is a reason manufacturers do thing like that. Just wish they did a hollow cast alloy one instead.
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Re: Lightweight alternators.... 2013/04/30 10:36:00 (permalink)
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Yeah there is a reason manufacturers do thing like that. Just wish they did a hollow cast alloy one instead.
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Re: Lightweight alternators.... 2013/04/30 10:54:29 (permalink)
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Nothing lockwire cant fix 
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