Eric
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bad handling characteristics
Hey guys recently got a wheel alignment done by bridgstone select. I asked them to raise the coilovers 5mm's all round at the same time, but they gave up after attempting too. Since then though the car has been nothing but problems After this event, the car has been all over the road. every time i hit a bump the car jumps around the road and essentially floats. it feels like I loose control. when i brake it squirms around and every time i take a shallow corner, it feels as if the car is about to loose the rear end. bridgestone messed up big time, as they did my alloy wheel nuts up with a rattle gun and ruined them, they left a sway bar link undone, and after i got fed up i went to another shop on tuesday to fix the wheel alignment. it was off by heaps BUT the issue is still there! It feels uncontrolable and as if the car is swaying arround and isnt planted I honestly have no idea, ive checked all the linkages but the car just feels loose and unsettle, when i put it into a corner hard though its just as good as before. Car is running HSD coilovers, only other notable things are the 5mm spacers on the front Any suggestions? i hope to fix this before sunday thanks -Eric
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Re:bad handling characteristics
2013/03/14 18:40:54
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Might take ages but i'm sure you can adjust all your coilovers to the same/preferable height. The lower you go, the worst the bump steer. As for your wheel alignment, you should be telling them what you want. Grab the print out from bridgestone as it should show before and after adjustments. Then you can sorta determine what your old set up was. Good luck!
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Re:bad handling characteristics
2013/03/14 19:55:58
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First thought, check the rear toe setting - if this is excessively toe out it could give the corner issue your describing. And find a reputable, reliable wheel alignment crowd asap.
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Re:bad handling characteristics
2013/03/14 20:24:30
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Never just drop your MR2 off to a "Wheel Alignment & Suspension Expert" without having done some research if they are any good. It always ends in tears. I also no longer leave the car with suspension places, I watch them do the job and point out exactly what has to be adjusted and where it gets adjusted. Just dropping the car off to any Bridgestone, Beaurepaires or QuickFit will generally end in a Celica or a Commodore suspension setting loaded onto your car........ (Since they don't know what the car is they end up just throwing settings on something "close").
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Re:bad handling characteristics
2013/03/14 20:59:03
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knightrous i think that rule really only applies to the AW11. the sw20 and zzw30 don't require the same extremes in alignment settings that the aw11 needs
i am taking my zzw to a place to get its alignment done and the settings are super soft compared to what the adub requires. its kind of more like your average corolla or commodore settings. funny thing the zzw and sw seem to have VERY similar alignment settings compared to the adub thats totally different.
the zzw doesn't seem to have any adjustment other than front and rear toe and rear camber.
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Re:bad handling characteristics
2013/03/14 21:29:45
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Its best to work out how to do your own alignments then test and tune. Once you get your head around the basics its a lot of fun tuning suspension settings. From what I have found, the first thing to check is the rebound setting. It will be the adjustment on the top of your shocks or in some cases the bottom. Start with a setting of one third of the adjustment available. Turn it completely anti clockwise, then turn it all the way clockwise counting the amount of 'clicks' till there is resistance. Return it back anticlockwise then set at one third of the available settings. If you wind it up to a harder setting on the rear, it will make the rear nervous. Softer is better on the rear. Use the same on the front then dial it in with a click at time. Next is to sort the alignment yourself. Make sure the front and rear caster are the same on both sides of the car. Buy a digital level on ebay and play around. Its cheap, easy and works. Find some level ground then measure the height from the subframe behind the front wheel. Make a block/spacer/guage then will slide into this space. Go to the other front side of the car and see if its the same. If its different, wind up or down the coil over till its the same. Next step is to fix a 10mm spacer to the block/spacer/guage then check the rear of the car under the subframe in front of the rear wheels. Adjuct to suit. Its a little rough and ready but it does work. Next set the camber with your adjustments and new digital level available. Then you can set the toe settings front and rear. The string line system may seem odd, but it is used in every level of motorsport including F1. It will take a little time at first, but once you have it worked out, it doesnt take all that long. Another trick is to set the rear 10mm higher than the front to settle the car. Make sure the lower control arm links are higher on the subframe than the mounting point at the ball joint.
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Eric
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Re:bad handling characteristics
2013/03/14 22:21:30
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the car didnt end up being raised. i got the wheel alignment redone on tuesday by a different mob and the allignment seems pretty much what i used to have. front toe is .7mm front and 1.4 total, rear is 2.0 and 4.2 total.
I will check they didnt adjust the dampening, but this is really confusing me now as to what they did, everything seems normal, although i do hear a squeak every now and then from the left front wheel
thanks for that write up too B24, I might do some research and just do my own wheel alignments from now on :P
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Re:bad handling characteristics
2013/03/15 08:35:57
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Did you check you're tyre pressures? Maybe they ramped them up before they did the alignment? The other thing is with some top adjustable shocks the adjusters stuff up and you have to twist the dials back and forth to get them to work properly again.
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Re:bad handling characteristics
2013/03/15 08:42:02
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Actually why did they undo you're sway bar links to adjust you're suspension height, that makes no sense. You didn't happen to get other work done like poly bushings fitted or something?
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Re:bad handling characteristics
2013/03/15 10:11:32
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Most (if not all) coilover shocks for SW20s require that the bottom link be disconnected, in order to rotate the base of the strut around the thread in order to lower/raise the ride height. What sort of camber/caster are you running?
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Re:bad handling characteristics
2013/03/15 10:31:10
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EssDub
Most (if not all) coilover shocks for SW20s require that the bottom link be disconnected, in order to rotate the base of the strut around the thread in order to lower/raise the ride height.
Huh? But he has HSD coil overs, don't you just c-spanner them? I've always used tiens and all I do to adjust is c-spanner the spring platform to raise or lower it.
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Re:bad handling characteristics
2013/03/15 14:53:19
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Its better to disconnect the bar to get a clearer reading when resetting the height but they clearly made a mistake by not fitting the bar back into place.
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Re:bad handling characteristics
2013/03/15 15:50:13
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@track_mr2: When you undo the spring perch and twist it, all you are doing is changing the preload tension on the spring itself. the height adjustment is done by loosening off the strut bottom and rotating it up/down the shaft of the shock in order to change height.
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Re:bad handling characteristics
2013/03/17 09:59:29
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If your in Melbourne , may i suggest Trutrack in Noth Melbourne they will get it 100%
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Re:bad handling characteristics
2013/04/02 10:05:26
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bit of a late update on this, but i am stumped and so are my friends. the issue is still persisting, I have eliminated rear toe being the issue as it is toe'd in the correct ammount, I also had it up on a hoist the other day, checked everything and tightend everything that was remotely loose but to no avail
We can hear a small knock coming from the steering rack when turning left and right, not sure if this could be the issue though
I am having issues with the wheels at the moment, as I have to run a 5 mm slip on to clear coilovers, which means I have only 4 turns of the wheel nuts onto the studs, So i am getting new wheels as i dont want to run spacers either
So far I have eliminated: Coilovers (including height etc), bushes, ball joints, loose wheel nuts, toe settings.
I bought new sway bar links since the current ones look a bit dodgey, just have to put them in later this week
is there anything else I could have missed?
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