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Re:MR2 Trackday Challenge 2014 2013/05/07 10:46:50 (permalink)
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It is hard to differentiate the cars even road to track cars sometimes.

My AW11 is in a big grey area, it's appears heavily modified, but it's not.
 
Suspension - The suspension modifications are mainly stiffer springs (3kg/6kg), I'm still using stock replacement Koni Sport shocks and I still run the car at standard suspension heights. No RCA's or fancy replacement suspension links. I run an adjustible sway bar on the front and a recycled SW20 sway bar on the rear.
Engine - The 20V engine conversion looks like a heavy modification on paper, but it's an unopened stock motor with a basic aftermarket ECU. Toan's worked 16V would easily make more power with it's much bigger cams, lightened flywheel, ported head and Autronic ECU.
Brakes - The brakes upgrade is just a combination of stock brakes off bigger cars, ST185 twinpots on the front with non-slotted Corolla 254X25 rotors, SW20 22V calipers rear with a non-slotted AW11 front rotor. It's an improvement in braking power, but mostly in thermal capacity due to larger rotor mass, but it's added 2+kg per corner. It's not like they are $2k worth of Wilwood billet calipers and two piece rotors. The brake pads are cheap $80 TRW Track pads, nothing special like $300+ Ferodo DS2500's or Project Mu HC+
Exterior - The bonnet vent, it's looks like a massive aerodynamic enhancement, but it's just for better cooling (in theory anyway). There are no splitters, under trays or wings.
Interior - I've stripped the carpets out, but still retain factory dash, centre console and door skins. I'm still using a stock recaro bucket seat and seat belt as well.
Weight Reduction - I've ditched the non working AC system, heavy thermo fans, carpets and rear wing. This bring it down to 1060KG, the nearly same weight as a stock JDM 84 AW11a.
The majority of my modifications could be replicated on a tidy stock looking street car and you'd never know.
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Re:MR2 Trackday Challenge 2014 2013/05/07 13:26:32 (permalink)
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"Yeah but mine is still a street car, fool "
My point exactly, fool you will be in the "heavy modded" cos it's stripped, half cage etc whereas I've still got things like A/C, stock interior, basically everything save the BEAMS, poly bushes and a soon to be strut/spring combo like Aaron's (semis easily swapped for street tyres). I'd like to enter stock class so I wouldn't have to think about mods but that would be boring :P
 
Steve I see what you mean by the Circuit class. It wouldn't be viable either if we had mild and wild classes for circuit since there's only like 5? of you lol. Maybe the heavy modded cars should be case by case basis, in total there's only
a handful (fortunately for the scrutineers).
Aaron you'll make it into the mild street on a case by case imo even tho the brake upgrades and weight reduction is debatable. That car would be a perfect candidate for 24 hr LeMons LOL (not dissing the car, but praising the DIYness, respect)
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Re:MR2 Trackday Challenge 2014 2013/05/07 17:23:39 (permalink)
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There isnt much diff between modified street and circuit, as said there could be cars more modified then some of the 'circuit' class but as they still have it registered and as a result cant have a roll cage. Yes a race car should have a cage for safety, but it could be stock otherwise, and the cage which is mainly safety, will just make it heavier.
It should be that if you have a modified street car that exceeds the rules it will get bumped up into circuit class.
 
Few extra things that can be added like as mentioned weight reduction and interior;
 
Interior
Street - Full factory interior must be retained including complete factory dash, factory seats, door trims, carpet ect
Modified street - As per street class however seats and rails me be replaced with an alternative but the number of seats fitted must be as from factory. steering wheel may be replaced with alternative.
Circuit - Interior is free.
 
Body
Street - Must retain original panel material and shape
Modified street - Alternative panels are permitted for the front bar, bonnet, side skirts, rear bar, boot and engine lid. The remainder of the vehicle body must remain as original from the manufacturer.
Circuit - Body is free
 

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Re: MR2 Trackday Challenge 2014 2013/05/07 17:47:33 (permalink)
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This is turning into a bit of a minefield, I pity Steve who is trying his best to organise this and keep people happy. Im not saying people are getting shirty but I think people need to get real and respect Steve’s decision on the class allocation.
 
The alternative will be some form of committee that will make the rules on regulations or an existing standard adopted. This would take the fun out of this event as cars will only be permittied to be modified according to the regulations.
 
I don’t know what the best solution is but I think this event should be kept at the grass roots level. There will be trade offs for some but common sense should prevail in regard to classifications. If a car has a real or somewhat measurable advantage then that need to be taken into consideration.
 
Anyone got any views on this?
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Re: MR2 Trackday Challenge 2014 2013/05/07 18:09:38 (permalink)
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I don't care which class I'm put in. I just want to thrash the shiz out of my car on the track. I'd be happy if I was the only one there.
Forget about classes guys. It doesn't matter.
If you win a trophy, it will end up in a cupboard and you'll eventually throw it out anyway.
Turn up, have a blast and go home with a smile on your face.

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Re: MR2 Trackday Challenge 2014 2013/05/07 18:10:53 (permalink)
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My mate that turned up this year with the EVO9 should have been in the street class though he was put into the modified class. He didn't complain. He was just there for a good time.

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Re: MR2 Trackday Challenge 2014 2013/05/07 18:57:58 (permalink)
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Last I heard those plaques were valued at 3.5 million dollars so i can understand the concern. i agree with Admin. It's a great value couple of days so just turn up and have fun
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Re: MR2 Trackday Challenge 2014 2013/05/07 19:39:58 (permalink)
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Yeh forgot to say I really do appreciate what Mr Godfrey is doing here and I'd like to help out with the website but I'm hopeless at computer software/programming ****. Can def toss fry around some sausages tho
And class or no class we'll all have fun for sure but if it becomes too much trouble with categories then yeh whatever. Everyone here knows I'm the King of Fun on and off track (ala chillies). I didn't realise it would be a handful since I'm not an organiser so my bad
That being said I wouldn't hide my trophies. I don't go around gloating about it but I'm not afraid to be proud my achievements. Also having other MR2s there makes it much more fun tho doesn't it :)
 
"but common sense should prevail in regard to classifications"
+1 I mentioned earlier about "case by case" basis
 
If there was any complaints about EVO 9 it was prob us MR2 guys. I believe it's called damnyounewandfasterawd-itis. Don't worry tho, it's a condition that every other car club has. I honestly have no objections to ANY non-MR2 in fact if Mr Lao comes next year I'm sure a few eyebrows will be raised ;)
 
2013 was a huge success, I had an epic good time and I don't doubt that this year's gonna be the same or better.
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Re: MR2 Trackday Challenge 2014 2013/05/07 20:45:52 (permalink)
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If we want rules for classes, just use the ones CAMS use for Supersprint events

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Re: MR2 Trackday Challenge 2014 2013/05/07 21:03:43 (permalink)
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I don't think anyone should whinge if their car is bumped into a circuit class as i said even last time The Pearl is not highly modded but even if it had plates i would agree with it being in the circuit class. It just makes sense?
 
Who cares though honestly?
 
Someone bring a welder just incase the turbo falls off again!
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Re: MR2 Trackday Challenge 2014 2013/05/08 10:13:43 (permalink)
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Thanks for the feedback and point of view on the classes and what people feel it should be. 
Admin, the EVO was not a standard road car which is what Street Class was this year. It was modified beyond standard so it was placed in Modified Street. Two piece rotors are not stock. 
I have looked at the supersprint reg's but there are too many classes which doesn't work. Good idea, but will not work for us. These reg's are closer to WTAC but structured to suit the demographic of the MR2 owner. Bascially, there are no extreme MR2 circuit cars. Most are modified to a similar degree so these all end up in the same class. Most have suspension mods with some minor engine upgrades, sound upgrades and decent tyres. These fit into Street Class. Cars which are the more highly modded street cars are the same, except they have power upgrades with a mild improvement in weight reduction and the odd car has increased track and a brake upgrade. Circuit cars are the same with more weight reduction and a improved safety and a cage. A point being, the roll cage is not just safety, the cage is a performance enhancement if done correctly. So a street car with a cage has an advantage. It does cost 30kg of weight, but you do gain with a more comprehensive chassis.
Harnesses are also a advantage and a excellent safety addition. I would be happy if everyone had one fitted but that will not happen. It's just what I would 'like' to see.
As far as not having classes and competition, that cannot happen. It's a major part of the event, it stimulates conversation, enthusiasm to improve your driving and car to try and 'top' your fellow driver, creates great memories and stories, makes you drive harder and better. You can drive in the event, enjoy the tracks, not bother about where you finish, but if your keen on the stimulation of competition you can go for it.
 
I'm going to talk with Wakefield Park about a cruise session for people who want to drive to the track, meet and greet, then do a few laps with their partner or friend. So, not a competitive or speed orientated drive, just cruising at 40-60km/h on the twisty bits, then up to 100km/h on the straights. It's just to allow people to have a drive of the track without the pressure of watching their mirrors or exceeding their comfort zone, allow the show cars to have some low pressure laps, allow your girlfriend, mum,dad, grandparent, whatever to drive the track with non risk of incident. What do you think? 
 
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Re: MR2 Trackday Challenge 2014 2013/05/11 18:30:16 (permalink)
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Powercruise burnouts please! Ill bring Burt :)
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Re: MR2 Trackday Challenge 2014 2013/05/13 08:35:00 (permalink)
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This kind of thing has crossed my mind!
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Re: MR2 Trackday Challenge 2014 2013/05/13 08:38:59 (permalink)
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Powercruise burnouts please! Ill bring Burt :)

Oh craps, I better get TrackDub 2.0 - The V6 Turbo of Death done for that then!
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Re: MR2 Trackday Challenge 2014 2013/05/14 09:07:48 (permalink)
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I just had a look at powercuise burn outs. Everyone will need a trailer and only a one day pass..
The idea of cruising the track at a slow speed then a hit up the straight will appeal to a lot of the street cruisers. They can have a club cruise to the track, lunch, enjoy the backroads around Wakefield (there are some nice quite roads around the area which are great for photo shots), show up after 12pm, park and show their cars in the open garages, sign in, come and meet everyone, have a cruise session, then the UTC photo shoot, bbq, party on with all the competitors and crew, then a few more sessions on the Tuesday before heading home after the presentation.
A few awards can be organised but this is something I would like to see the clubs get involved in (managing a show and shine) as I have enough on my plate.
A 1/8 mile was considered but I didn't like the run off in case of a problem.
Drifting is another option but don't think it will 'fit in' as there are not enough MR2 drifting right now plus time restraints.
 
Here is a flyer I put together. If anyone can improve on this (should be easy), please load to the thread.

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