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Re:MR2 Trackday Challenge 2014
2014/01/10 17:34:30
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Sounded great on boost Rob
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Re:MR2 Trackday Challenge 2014
2014/01/10 18:16:23
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I dont care who won either but it should be a fair system and if one event counts for more than others , that is wrong and just not fair.
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Re:MR2 Trackday Challenge 2014
2014/01/10 19:26:35
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I propose that the following be considered for next year's event. Comments? Classes- Non-MR2 entrants are in the outright class only. This includes “MR2-like” vehicles. If the body isn’t at least 80% MR2, then it is not an MR2.
- MR2 entrants will be distributed across the various classes such as circuit, modified street, street etc. MR2 entrants are also in the outright class. Exact classes and rules will be finalised and published prior to the event.
- There are no classes in regularity events. All regularity results are outright only.
Points- Outright winners of each session including regularity receive 5 points. 2nd place outright receives 3 points. 3rd outright receives 1 point. All other placings receive 0 points.
- Winners of each session in each class (regularity excluded) will receive 5 points. 2nd place in each class receives 3 points and 3rd in each class receives 1 point. All other placings receive 0 points.
- All timed sessions including regularity are scored equally. As an example, if an entrant wins time attack session 1, they will receive 5 points. If they win regularity, they will receive another 5 points.
- If an MR2 entrant places in the top 3 outright in a non-regularity timed session, they will receive points for their outright placing IN ADDITION to their class position points. Note that this may provide an advantage to MR2 entrants over invitational entrants in regard to the total overall score for the whole event. It should be discussed whether we want to do this or not. If implemented, it will somewhat protect the event from being dominated by modern track weapons such as EVOs. After all, it is a MR2 track day.
- Total event points for each entrant is the sum of all points from all sessions.
- If the entrant does not compete in a session, they will not receive any points for that session.
Regularity scoring- Entrants nominate their desired time
- For each 10th of a second slower than the desired time per lap, 1 regularity point is earned
- For each 10th of a second faster than the desired time per lap, 2 regularity points are earned
- To place in regularity, ALL nominated laps must be completed
- The winner of regularity is the entrant that accumulates the least number of regularity points
- 2nd place is the next smallest number of regularity points and 3rd place the third.
- Classes are irrelevant in regularity
- The regularity winner receives 5 points towards their overall event point score, second place receives 3 points and third place, 1 point.
- These points should not be confused with regularity points
TrophiesTrophies will be awarded for the following;- The fastest lap time outright on the full circuit out of any of the full circuit sessions. There is no 2nd or 3rd place for this.
- Regularity 1st, 2nd and 3rd place
- Single lap shootout 1st, 2nd and 3rd place outright
- 1st, 2nd and 3rd place for each class via an amalgamation of points from all sessions. This includes points scored in regularity if applicable.
- 1st, 2nd and 3rd place outright via an amalgamation of points from all sessions. This includes points scored in regularity if applicable.
- Best attitude and/or most improved award. The winner is chosen by event organisers based on the entrant’s attitude, improvement and any other factor that may be relevant at the time to the organiser’s discretion.
- The Best attitude and/or most improved award cannot be awarded to an entrant that has already won a trophy.
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Re:MR2 Trackday Challenge 2014
2014/01/10 19:36:07
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Hello everyone,
I have finally decided to sit down in front of a computer to have my say on the MTC 2014.
First of all, I must thank all the people who called and sent messages in support of the event. Knightrous is to be congratulated on the development of the website. There will be more improvements in 2014.
Can I also say thank you for all the kind words of support to all the people who attended MTC 2014. It was great to see a few spectators on the Monday.
The event was designed for more than one reason. Friendships, laughs, stimulating conversations, appreciation of works performed on our cars, the hidden art of driving as smooth and quick as possible certainly come to mind. There is no doubt everyone has come away with a new experience and something to work on in anticipation of 2015. For some, its a life changing experience, thrill rides that match a roller coaster, a bug would have set into a few people which will draw them to the track instead of the street.
Then there is the competition aspect of the event. I do not believe comments of not caring where people finish or the likes as there are many comments on the last few pages which say otherwise. In one way or another we are all competitive individuals, end of story. To create heated debate which shows a persons character is also an interesting game to watch. The six rounds of competition available a MTC provides a lot of scope for friendly banter, strategy, tact , patience, emotion and more. From a organizers point of view its a complete win win.
Regularity: So much heated debate! With comments of what is fair and what is not with the regularity round what is unfair. A modern 4wd with skilled drivers competing against 20yr old MR and RWD cars could also be considered unfair by people. Its a game leveler so everyone competing has an equal chance of winning the round or more. This is what happened and some didn't like it. I am sorry, but that's racing.
The regularity is there to provide a curve ball, increase the value of consistency but more importantly to expose people to the final discipline before door to door circuit racing. As people have discovered, its not that easy but the goal (from the promoters point of view) was achieved.
When we had the meeting before the regularity round the target time was taken from the drivers quickest lap plus two seconds. This was then confirmed by the drivers and adjusted if they wished. With some simple math, 2 seconds from 10 corners is 2 tenths per corner/ changing 500rpm earlier or carrying a higher gear from the Hillclimb straight to the back straight, while still carrying your braking points and corner speed. Really not that hard but due to experience, it turned out to be a challenge for some but a completely expected result. Something I am quite happy with. May change the name to the 'chilli burger round' as it certainly has people jumping out of their chairs.
So the regularity will stay and people will learn this new discipline to increase their chances in 2015. I have no doubt this will be the case.
My complaint: Can people please keep the cabins clean, help clean up after dinner so I am not doing it at 1am, close your garages at the end of the day and read the regs! lol.
Thanks again for believing in the event and making it what it is and hope to everyone in 2015.
Steve
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Re:MR2 Trackday Challenge 2014
2014/01/10 19:47:21
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Thanks again Steve for organising the event. Great effort and a great result.
Nobody is saying that the regularity event is unfair. It is perfectly fair and I would love to give it another crack next year and hopefully improve on my 16th position!
The issue is around how the 1st, 2nd and 3rd places for the overall MTC were calculated, not the results for the regularity event itself.
Travis clearly won regularity and a great effort too!
The results from the regularity event are however skewing the overall placings due to the regularity results being worth more than the results from the other sessions. Please see my suggested scoring system for next year where time attack and regularity scores contribute equally to the overall MTC placings.
Thanks again.
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Re:MR2 Trackday Challenge 2014
2014/01/10 19:52:12
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Looks like the event went pretty smoothly. My complaint being that I couldn't attend.
Like mentioned in the previous two posts,
Admin,
"it will somewhat protect the event from being dominated by modern track weapons such as EVOs. After all, it is a MR2 track day"
B24,
"A modern 4wd with skilled drivers competing against 20yr old MR and RWD cars could also be considered unfair by people"
If I had the funds and wanted the boost to my ego could I roll up in a (insert your favourite track/road weapon with auto breathe and think) and obliterate the white knuckled, budget hobbyist?
Fairs fair. At least the Beams powered bmw had some sort of mr2 link.
Congrats to Ken Matsuda for another obviously blistering performance and to Steve and co for organising the meet again.
Where did TurboDoseBro place?
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Re:MR2 Trackday Challenge 2014
2014/01/10 20:10:39
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Re:MR2 Trackday Challenge 2014
2014/01/10 20:16:11
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Thanks for the feedback Glenn,
I will continue to fine tune the event as time goes by.
Dates for one. It will be between the 6th and the 13th of Jan with a date to be confirmed in a few weeks.
My engine is coming back out in a few weeks. Going to install a light instead.
Results
Outright
1st: Ken Matsuda (Vic) AW11
2nd: Steve Marlin (NSW) EVO
3rd: Travis Webb (Vic) BMW
These are MR2 only classes
Modified Street over 2ltr
1st: Michael Bonfield (S.A.) SW20
2nd: Ed Piekar (NSW) SW20
3rd: Jim Dimetrio (NSW) AW11
Modified Street under 2ltr
1st: Ethan Gates (NSW) SW20
2nd: Tony Millwood (ACT) SW20
3rd: Adrian You (NSW) SW20
Special mention to Aaron Knight with a 12th outright in his girlfriend's car!
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Re:MR2 Trackday Challenge 2014
2014/01/10 20:59:46
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B24
Special mention to Aaron Knight with a 12th outright in his girlfriend's car!
And 1st place in the Street Over 2L class by default 
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Re:MR2 Trackday Challenge 2014
2014/01/10 21:58:38
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Re:MR2 Trackday Challenge 2014
2014/01/10 22:38:43
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Forgot to mention a big thanks to Paul Brell. I was hoping he would show up and he did. As he did last year, he said hello to everyone and helped out everyone he could at no cost. He was responsible for Highlander enjoying the weekends racing.
Having Neil Trama come along was also a treat. Neil has one the most enviable reputations for anyone wishing to be a race engineer. He builds incredible Toyota engines, big into Motec management and data acquisition for numerous teams and programs world wide. He is also a great man to boot (along with everyone else who was there).
Wiso and Senor also come along on the Monday and spent the day saying hello, taking photo's and admiring the cars. There were 5 or 6 Mr2 NSW Club members in total.
There is a huge amount of media available on facebook for those interested.
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Re:MR2 Trackday Challenge 2014
2014/01/10 22:49:30
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Re:MR2 Trackday Challenge 2014
2014/01/11 11:14:13
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Re:MR2 Trackday Challenge 2014
2014/01/11 17:12:19
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Re:MR2 Trackday Challenge 2014
2014/01/11 18:36:39
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There are some great shots there.
Tri is clearly the most entertaining character out there!
One thing that caught my attention was the comparison of lap times between the BMW and the SW20's with 2.0ltr power. They were all quite close. It would be good to see the AW11 and MR2S with a tuned suspension/brake/tyre package with a lightly tuned engine going head to head with the SW and BMW to see the comparison. Would also be good to see a S12/S13/S14 with a SR20 mixing it up to see the comparison. Maybe in 2015 this could be a reality.
There was talk of adding a 1/8 mile drag race into the equation. It would be a 1hr session on the first afternoon. Any takers?
Next year will also see the addition of another variation of the track. It was discussed at length this year so I will add this into 2015. Just need to see if it will be possible. This too will be 1 hr allocated time slot.
I had a quick chat with Wiso about where the MR2 clubs could fit in a show and shine(bit dusty for the sine part but you get what I mean.) with a few cruise session. So for people interested in this, keep in contact with Wiso for more info.
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