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why are SW20's refered to in this way?
I see alot of posts on this forum like this and am curious why they do it. I see threads Labeled, Gen 1 problem, Gen 3 problem. Gen 3 body parts for sale. Gen 2 this and that. and then you get into the thread start reading through it and its about an SW20. Now I honestly don't know the ins and outs of an SW20, I have chosen to steer clear, but I do know lots about AW11's and ZZW30's. so when I see people having issues with their "Gen3" I try and give them a hand only to realise. I have no idea what they are on about. Why are SW20's refered to as Gen1, Gen2, Gen3. a Gen1 MR2 is an AW11, a Gen2 MR2 is an SW20 and a Gen3 MR2 is a ZZW30. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_MR2 Can anyone point out the roots of this odd phenomenon?
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Re:why are SW20's refered to in this way?
2013/03/04 17:14:04
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SW20 'Gens' refer to the revisions of that particular model. I'm not sure where the 'gen' tag came from, most Australian cars tend to use the 'series' label, so you could have a AU Falcon series II for example.
Most of the time these different series or generations feature changes by the manufacturer, both cosmetically and under the hood.
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Re:why are SW20's refered to in this way?
2013/03/04 17:18:39
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They really should be labelled Rev 1 thru 5 in my opinion
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Re:why are SW20's refered to in this way?
2013/03/04 17:26:55
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yeah I figured that they refer to the different "series" or "facelifts" of the car.
But these are still mid generational changes. the "generation" of the SW20 is 2. If every different "revision", "series", "facelift" of the MR2 was a differant generation of the MR2 the ZZW30 is Generation 6 by those standards.
But we all know there was only 3 generations of the MR2 released by toyota's standards. is that correct or is there actually 7 or more generations or the Toyota MR2?
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Re:why are SW20's refered to in this way?
2013/03/04 17:32:31
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Revisions relates to the chassis, gen relates to the motor they came with.
Rev1-2 had gen 2 3sg(t)e
Rev 3-5 had gen3 and beams.
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Re:why are SW20's refered to in this way?
2013/03/04 17:34:41
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Other forums call the different mr2's by mk/mark.
Mk1 is aw11
Mk2 is sw20
Mk3 is zzw30
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Re:why are SW20's refered to in this way?
2013/03/04 17:41:43
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Re:why are SW20's refered to in this way?
2013/03/04 18:17:22
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Basically what justace said. Gen's refer to the engine revision, rev refers to the chassis revision.
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Re:why are SW20's refered to in this way?
2013/03/04 18:18:06
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People are mainly talking reference to engine issues. Technically Gen1 3SGTE was never fitted on MR2's only ST165 GT4s.
It's certainly confusing/wrong but:
Gen1 - early model Gen2 engined
Gen2 - revised Gen2 engine (diff tb inlet & revised tranny)
Gen3 - 94+ that everyone knows & loves
Gen4 - Wagon Caldina engine never on MR2
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Re:why are SW20's refered to in this way?
2013/03/04 19:39:57
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Obviously over the years and mostly being an sw20 owners forum it was alot easier just saying your gen1 etc car, where now there are all 3 generation owners and people keep referring still like the old days it does become very confusing especially when they put it in thread names or items for sale cause obviously i see gen 3 and think of an MR2 spyder but no :( so you can see the confusion lol
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Re:why are SW20's refered to in this way?
2013/03/04 19:53:22
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Yes I get caught out by this alot too ,like the western suburbs .
Western suburbs of where Mr Heinz?
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Re:why are SW20's refered to in this way?
2013/03/04 20:19:31
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I think a Gen 5 engine is also available. The 194KW series 2 Caldina 3sgte. MR2QIK
People are mainly talking reference to engine issues. Technically Gen1 3SGTE was never fitted on MR2's only ST165 GT4s.
It's certainly confusing/wrong but:
Gen1 - early model Gen2 engined
Gen2 - revised Gen2 engine (diff tb inlet & revised tranny)
Gen3 - 94+ that everyone knows & loves
Gen4 - Wagon Caldina engine never on MR2
post edited by Mrskylighter - 2013/03/04 20:23:22
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Re:why are SW20's refered to in this way?
2013/03/04 20:26:04
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bingo, so its a gen 3 engine. but its not a gen 3 chassis is it? So why on earth do people on this forum put things up for sale like Gen3 MR2 front lips or Gen3 Suspension that are actually for an SW20??? when as we established earlier and SW20 is a "generation2 MR2" or "MarkII MR2". mark and generation of the car are the same thing. To be honest I figured thats why they call them that but yes. as Jay said I do believe it is wrong to refer to an SW20 as a gen3 just_ace
Revisions relates to the chassis, gen relates to the motor they came with.
Rev1-2 had gen 2 3sg(t)e
Rev 3-5 had gen3 and beams.
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Re:why are SW20's refered to in this way?
2013/03/05 00:01:40
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just becuase it was the rev 3 that came with the biggest visual/styling update and possible bilstein shocks, which also had the gen 3 engine.
yes technically incorrect, but most know what the op means etc.
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Re:why are SW20's refered to in this way?
2013/03/05 06:58:31
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Funnily alot of the 'gen 3' options were released on the rev2 car. The box, the brakes, front lip, body coloured side mouldings, bilstein shocks were available on the rev 2 etc. The engine, tail lights and rear wing were different on the Rev 3.
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