Gatesys SW20
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Turbo swap
I'm weighing up buying a turbo model or doing a swap with a turbo engine and box?
Pros and cons of each Also anyone that has a semi built turbo engine I'd be willing to purchase.
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Re:Turbo swap
2013/02/18 00:15:05
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I presume you currently have an NA? If so then just assess the good/points of the rest of your current car. If you have had it for a while then you know what is good what is bad etc, and know what you have, and evaluate if its worthwhile doing a swap. Its fairly easy to do esp if you have a half cut. Getting a complete car is obviously easier but you have the aspect of not knowing what you are buying. Just weigh up the pros and cons of each option, including if you will be doing a swap or paying someone to do it, availability of half cut compared to turbo car etc, and make an informed decision. Cheers
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Gatesys SW20
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Re:Turbo swap
2013/02/18 07:21:31
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Thanks mate That's what ie been thinking aswell, I know this car I have and I've done heaps of work, But with the half cut, The ecu will my harness go into the turbo ecu or a little wiring? I could do most of it myself But what's the go with engineers/ changing engine numbers etc?
A decent half cut would be about 4-6 thousand
But with buying a pre built turbo I could make some money back by selling my Na Argh decisions :/
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Re:Turbo swap
2013/02/18 08:28:18
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From what I understand is you want a half cut so you can swap everything over including the harness. Even still there is a chance of having to rewire/repin some plugs.
You will also want to add in the costs of doing the timing belt water pump hose from help ect.
There has been a few people on here that have done it so if you do a search it will help. Evil138, bionical are 2 people that I can that I can remember
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Re:Turbo swap
2013/02/18 09:06:05
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Darius did the half cut swap and had it installed by a mechanic. Pm him if he doesn't post up here.
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Re:Turbo swap
2013/02/18 09:27:47
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On the flip side, for the price of a good half cut, you could buy a turbo, source a manifold to suit (stock or otherwise), source some bigger injectors, buy an aftermarket ECU and turbo your NA motor. The high compression NA motor with a turbo will be pretty responsive and with a good tune should be as reliable as a stock motor, power figures should match or exceed stock turbo figures. If your not abusive to your NA gearbox, it will handle the turbo (hell there are supercharged V6's in the UK running the S54 box...) and you will have a lighter setup running the NA gearbox, drive shafts and hubs in comparison. The downside is, if your planning to go for big power in the near future, the high comp build will probably run out of head room rather quickly due to the compression and cams.
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Re:Turbo swap
2013/02/18 10:28:37
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You can tubo the n/a motor - I have been there and done that, The S54 is a pretty strong box I had a n/a with low comp pistons running 17psi and the S54 refused to die.
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Re:Turbo swap
2013/02/18 11:02:05
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3sgeTurbo You can tubo the n/a motor - I have been there and done that, What was your opinion of the NA+T build compared to a factory turbo?
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Re:Turbo swap
2013/02/18 12:20:37
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what rev mr2 do you have? if it's a rev 2, the wiring is easier upgrading to a gen3 turbo than from a rev1. what power are you after? i personally wouldn't whack a turbo onto a stock unopened gen2 NA motor. you need eveything to be done right or it will go poof very quickly. you can only run minimal boost and need to have it very well tuned.\ you could always rebuild your NA motor with forged pistons and add a turbo. what i've wanted to see, is a 5s crank fitted to a gen2 NA motor with the long runner intalke manifold and a gt2860RS, it would be an awesome daily i rekon, lots of low end response, perfect for khana/hill climb etc.
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Re:Turbo swap
2013/02/18 13:06:00
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Ditched the Beams hey? I know most ppl here are saying do halfcut or turbo the NA but just me, personally, I would just sell the NA car and get a good condition Rev 3+/Gen 3 and be done with it. I just don't want to go thru the hassle but maybe you enjoy working on it. Unless ur really attached to the NA (just give some time to let it go lol) then selling and buying would be "easier" for the non-mechanic type like me... The NA should go to a decent home :)
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Re:Turbo swap
2013/02/18 13:31:57
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My N/A kicked ass hard, some times I miss it, it only had basic supporting mods like injectos, reg and ecu but power came on really srtong and pulled right until redline. I believe this was because of the N/A inlet manifold having very long runners to give it heaps down low and the bigger N/A cams help out witht he spool and top end. Also I come from a family of mechanics so I did all the work my self, if you were to take the 3sge+Turbo route and have to pay someone to do all the mechanical / electrical work then it would cost $3000 easily.
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Re:Turbo swap
2013/02/18 13:33:57
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Also you could always blot and SC14 supercharger on with an AFC, would be cheap and kick ass hard!
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Re:Turbo swap
2013/02/18 16:23:44
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Can you quickly clarify (pics help too) exactly what you've done to your car. Much easier to give a suggestion on which is the better the option. At a guess, you'll be better off buying an original MR2 turbo with some nice select modification.
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Re:Turbo swap
2013/02/18 16:43:07
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Turbo swap is not that hard. I did it with a Gen 3 halfcut (around $3000 from memory) and it had everything needed for the swap (obviously replace the timing belt, water pump and fuel pump while its out). The best thing about the swap is that its all OEM so there aren't too many 'bugs' to sort out when finished, as long as you swap everything from the halfcut over. Like others have mentioned, the only difficult bit is wiring up the loom, but if you sit down and label all wires on the NA side, and all on the turbo ecu side, your pretty much sorted. It does take time, but its not rocket science. Speedo is also a no go - either remove the electrical sensor in the Gen 3 with mechanical or swap in a electrical cluster dash (I'm currently in the process of swapping an electrical cluster in). Additionally, I have all my notes and a few writeups that I used when I did mine so if you or anyone else needs help, PM me and I'll send them through.
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Re:Turbo swap
2013/02/18 17:35:04
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Hmm judging from all this and really thinking hard about it, My engine is 220xxx kms old and needs new rings so a bolt on turbo is out,
The turbo swap could work but I can't afford the downtime. As this is my only car.
I think I will have to just buy a turbo after searching for a while, and finding the right one Only after something moderate and half reliable 200-230atw I would be happy with.
Then after acquiring a turbo and am happy with how it is then sell my Na, be a shame to see her go :(
I just would like to make some money back on buying a turbo. Ill see what happens over the next few months.
Thanks everyone for replying big helps Thanks mr2qik aswell :)
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