triadelite
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What mods will shorten engine life?
Hi everyone.. I'm thinking of upgrading some parts for my 1994 3rd gen N/A sw20.. I know upgrading suspension shouldn't put too much strain although i'm wondering if I got new cams and pistons if that would put strain on the engine?
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Re:What mods will shorten engine life?
2013/02/06 22:32:33
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To fit new pistons you would essentially be rebuilding the engine.
So thi if done properly will give it a new lease of life and prolong its existence.
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Re:What mods will shorten engine life?
2013/02/06 22:38:14
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i see.. What about the cams? Would getting new ones prolong or shorten?
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Re:What mods will shorten engine life?
2013/02/06 22:55:37
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cams wont be detrimentle directly. They will increase the power, and you will then rev the engine to get this power.
This will shorten it's life, but if maintenance is regular, it will be fine.
But, the process of fitting cams requires a new timing belt, and while your there itd be a good time for a majorservice, including fitting a new water pump and various seals.
This will in turn be good for the motor.
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Re:What mods will shorten engine life?
2013/02/06 22:58:07
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Anything that adds power is going to put more strain on the motor.
regular servicing is whats best for longevity, and not over revving it, or driving it hard when its not up to operating temp. Etc.
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Re:What mods will shorten engine life?
2013/02/07 00:12:58
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Would be a good idea to upgrade the exhaust and the intake (if you already havn't) and then go from there. But when it comes to mods like bigger cams you will need an aftermarket computer, which just adds to the price as well as getting it tuned.
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Re:What mods will shorten engine life?
2013/02/07 00:28:15
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Pretty much everything you modify will have a detrimental effect on reliability. Toyota knew what they were doing. But if you upgrade things properly and don't shortcut, you're not gonna have a major affect. For an NA engine, if you don't touch the compression, keep the rev limit as is, don't screw up the fuelling, and keep it properly maintained, it should last as long as stock.
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Re:What mods will shorten engine life?
2013/02/07 01:39:25
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+1 for leaving it stock. I assume you want a bit more power and I can see 2 ways going around it without touching the internals. - Custom cold air duct from side vent to the filter - "Wiz" did this ages ago on his 97 NA and dynoed it. Got 4rwkw if I remember. He got rid of the baffle and used convoluted tubing to the vent. Coolant hose is kinda in the way tho.
- Advanced timing + higher octane fuel. Checkout autospeed's "5 cent modification" article. Just be cautious of detonation from too much advance
You prob won't get much but it'll keep you busy for a bit :)
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Re:What mods will shorten engine life?
2013/02/07 05:40:08
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honestly sell it and get a turbo...easiest and best option. Been there and thats what I had to do albeit in the soarer chassis
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Re:What mods will shorten engine life?
2013/02/07 08:56:12
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Soaren1
honestly sell it and get a turbo...easiest and best option. Been there and thats what I had to do albeit in the soarer chassis
Totally agree. Getting decent power out of a N/A MR2 costs big dollars. It's much easier selling and getting a turbo, not to mention the rest of the better gear you end up with too.
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Re:What mods will shorten engine life?
2013/02/07 09:52:04
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Yep, or do a transplant.
I would do the simple stuff like advance timing and run 98 octane (you can just do this with the dizzy ) which will make a small improvement but as others have said you don't get much bang for your buck modifying the NA.
Go for a drive in a turbo and see how you like it.
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Re:What mods will shorten engine life?
2013/02/07 10:22:58
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If you are into engine longevity maybe stick with the NA. Sure if power is your thing go turbo, no argument there, but keep in mind that in the Toyota service manual, many service jobs for the turbos are recommended at half the Kilometer intervals of the NA models. Is Toyota trying to tell us something there?
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Re:What mods will shorten engine life?
2013/02/07 10:36:34
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In terms of longevity, the turbo motor is obviously under more stress. But if you dont go crazy boosting it all up, keeping it relatively normal and treat it properly (fully synthetic oil, warm up, cool down, ear out for detonation etc) then reliability is great, that was my experience with my first MR2, and I did a fair whack of motor sport in it. It was one of the most reliable cars I have had. I did change oil and filter every 5000km in it. Cheers
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Re:What mods will shorten engine life?
2013/02/07 12:14:25
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Tree +1 for leaving it stock. I assume you want a bit more power and I can see 2 ways going around it without touching the internals. - Custom cold air duct from side vent to the filter - "Wiz" did this ages ago on his 97 NA and dynoed it. Got 4rwkw if I remember. He got rid of the baffle and used convoluted tubing to the vent. Coolant hose is kinda in the way tho.
- Advanced timing + higher octane fuel. Checkout autospeed's "5 cent modification" article. Just be cautious of detonation from too much advance
You prob won't get much but it'll keep you busy for a bit :) +1. This cold air mod gets you a bit more power and also quite a lot more torque (from 186nm to 200nm in my case). Definately use 98 ron fuel and I suggest you don't try advancing timing coz you will probably get ping in these later higher compression N/A motors ('94 Bathurst +). Possibly fit Copper Iridium spark plugs (one stage cooler), flat panel K & N filter and better exhaust with sports muffler. Probably cost around $1,000 all up. Whatever you do don't get talked into buying a piggyback powerchip for the computer (like I did). All it did in my case was confuse the computer and lessen the power so I ripped it off. These probably work better with turbos. All this will give you noticeable minor gains for not too much cost as Toyota have virtually got the max out of this engine with their stock ECU etc. Once you go into bigger cams, forged pistons etc on an N/A you will find the car is too cranky for road use and there will be too much stress on other components and the overall cost will be ridiculous. Obviously turbo is a better option if you just want raw power. 
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Re:What mods will shorten engine life?
2013/02/07 13:23:04
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Lol I wouldn't bother Do basic mods then learn to drive the car to its limit once you achieve that then go for more power.
Also spend your money in handeljng I'd rather spend 2000$ in suspension sway bars bushes strut braces and tyres and be 20-30kms quicker around corners and on a track then spend 5-10k to have 40-80 extra kws
Just for reference I was going to do cams 264 duration little more lift 500$ Then new belt 200-300$ Then someone to strip it and install it 600-800$ Then you will probably want to get full benefit Port and polish the head while its off, do valves and seals, rebuild entire head... Nek minute cya later 2-3k add another 1000 for a good port and polish job Then you still need to have it tuned properly to see any massive results so there's several hours on the dyno. My partners uncle owns a shop and not even I get free tunes.
So there's a head built and tuned for 5k
Then bottom end you would be silly if you stripped it for another 800$ to remove engine Then just did pistons You would while its stripped and out Do new apr studs Eagle rods Forged pistons Have the bottom end blueprinted and balanced Even have it bored to 2.2l
For pistons alone you will see barely any result maybe 10kw Then your changing the compression so new head gasket blah blah
Then with all that power your clutch will need to be done there's 1000$ right there Then if not already install an LSD
So for a decent built engine and not cut corners and just do 'cams and pistons' It will probably cost more than what you paid for the car up to 15000$ And you would probably still be beaten by a lightly modded turbo.
Then later if you decide to turbo it Why bother when you have just spent 15k on building a hi comp engine.
Do what tree did and put a beams in it but go a redtop so much cheaper.
Just do suspension Intake Exhaust Basics.
My 2 cents
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