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2012/11/21 22:09:39 (permalink)
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Exhaust types

Ok so I just had my exhaust re done
But I see lots of mr2s with those eBay style ones with the cat straight pipe and splits off into two tips like cannon style.. If anyone knows what I'm talking about? My exhaust follows the stock kind of set up with all the bends etc except has a hi flo cat and is mandrel bent and createote power

Just wondering if the first mentioned exhaust would create more power being more straight?

Or what would someone recommend for a custom exhaust for an Na
Very happy with mine but it was cheap and just to replace the old one before rego was rusting out.

Was thinking stainless system
Quad tips keeping my hi flo metal cat
Just asking what kind of system same kind of bends as stock or go more straight? Any ideas
Sorry I'm confusing

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    purple5ive
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    Re:Exhaust types 2012/11/22 08:31:27 (permalink)
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    Doesnt matter much for an N/A but if you want the best flow a single outlet is the best (althought on an N/A that will be reaalyy loud). in saying that oversizing the N/A exhaust will only give you less power, so be carefull how big you go, i would stick with a 2 or 2.25 inch maximum in mandrel bends
    and dont bother upgrading the exhaust headers for the N/A as the stock one is beautifully built.
     
    The dual canon style is mostly the turbo exhausts where bigger is usually the best (3 inch is a common size) i personally prefer the dual tips cause it makes the rear end look better but each to their own.
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    Re:Exhaust types 2012/11/22 08:34:20 (permalink)
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    Yeah thanks for that man,
    But interns of losing power from what I r read that's false just changes your torque point mines a 2.5 inch and it gained quite a bit of power compared to the 2 inch press bent system

    But no I agree the dual tips look great :)
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    Re:Exhaust types 2012/11/22 08:38:58 (permalink)
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    I really like the exhaust in it ATM
    It is loud but not really drony at highway

    I'd love to put quad tips on there :p

    But the only headers I'd do is the super exs there a better flowing header

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    Re:Exhaust types 2012/11/22 09:54:43 (permalink)
    +1 (1)
    Even if a single tip provides (a tiny bit) more power, I think it is far more important to retain the unique twin-tips of the SW20

    There is an extensive build thread for my car here: http://www.mr2australia.com/mr2play/tm.aspx?m=18316
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    Re:Exhaust types 2012/11/22 10:15:10 (permalink)
    +1 (1)
    Unlike turbos, it doesn't much matter what exhaust you put on an NA, it's not going to give you much power gain anyway unless it's matched to other mods like intake and cams.

    Twin tips look great, but a single tip muffler may be lighter and that could be worthwhile on an NA. (handling)
    IMO quad tips on an MR2 = Fail
    post edited by Reddtarga - 2012/11/22 10:21:12

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    Re:Exhaust types 2012/11/22 10:50:46 (permalink)
    +1 (1)
    Cat back exhaust on an N/A does SFA...mainly provides noise/drone 
    and I think the 3SGE has decent 'headers' anyway

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    Re:Exhaust types 2012/11/22 12:30:00 (permalink)
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     I think the 3SGE has decent 'headers' anyway

    Yes, they are fairly good, but not that good they can't be improved on.
    The pic shows stock left, and Fujitsubo Super Ex right.
     
    Unlike the stock headers, the Fuji's have larger equal length pipes, the bends are mandrel bent and the welds are much smoother inside, especially at the bottom collector. They also stand out further from the head giving a lot more room underneath to reach that PITA oil filter.
    But probably not a fair comparison, to compare an expensive custom hand made item to a factory produced one.
     
     

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    Re:Exhaust types 2012/11/22 23:37:38 (permalink)
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    Sorry red but QUAD TIPS FTW!!! haha

    Hmm I think this is like the 2nd time I posted this car lol. The quad tips are very proportionate on this car so I approve!
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    Re:Exhaust types 2012/11/23 09:15:27 (permalink)
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    and just about every damn 86 I saw in Japan recently had quad tips.... lol

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    Re:Exhaust types 2012/11/26 22:37:40 (permalink)
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    Not many headers for 3SGE non turbos but I found this:
    http://www.importmonster....2%20NA%203S%20GE%20set
    Dunno how it compares to Fujisubos
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    Re:Exhaust types 2012/11/26 22:43:03 (permalink)
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    Yeah I'm not sure ether
    But being 4-1 you would lose some low end I'd assume
    I've heard of hurricane headers but not sure if they are any good either

    Just heard good things about the super ex fujis
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    Re:Exhaust types 2012/11/26 23:30:32 (permalink)
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    You will achieve nothing appreciable from going to stainless. This is not coming from me, it's coming from 50 years of experience and I am not qualified to argue the point.
     
    This is not a blanket statement as there are notable benefits such as, temp and noise control.
     
    If you read up on the physics of exhausts there is not a lot you can do past the headers except get the exhaust out ASAP. The best option is no exhaust but since we have to have them, you then have to mitigate the damage of having something downstream of the ports. The whole design is mitigating this degradation of flow bit by bit, but every part you add does more harm by lengthening the time it takes to leave the system. So everything from the ports to the tip is a compromise and it all needs to be considered as a whole, not as individual parts. (I'm sure there are far more qualified engineering experts who would dispute this but this is as simple as I could make it from all the technical crap I've read through).
     
    After talking with multiple experienced exhaust fabricators, for most applications there isn't a lot you can do past the headers except reduce restriction. As you eluded, there are different types of performance from different types of headers, but as stated, the factory headers are pretty good for overall. 
     
    How much does this matter in the reality of a road going car? SFA. If you like the sound and look, then you've done the best you could hope for.
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    Re:Exhaust types 2012/11/27 09:19:46 (permalink)
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    also another common misconception is when people say "that exhaust is too big I'll lose torque...not enough back pressure bla bla" 
    Well I can't see how you can lose torque when all the torque tuning of an N/A motor is done between the head and final collector in the headers...
    which also concurs with the above statements by worldwalker.

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    Re:Exhaust types 2012/11/27 10:07:14 (permalink)
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    Amen to that guys

    I was never asking whether changing to stainless would improve performance of course it wouldn't it's just a different metal

    Yes the stock headers are great design but they can be improved on the argument is now $$ vs performance

    There has been some noticeably gains in Na from going to a bigger ID and less restrictive muffler even dyno proven results
    Even my 600$ hi flo cat and 2.5 inch cat back had results even I noticed in terms of noise and performance

    Each to there own aswell

    In terms of exhaust and back pressure in the book mr2 performance by terry heick
    It's quoted "I want the least amount of back pressure as possible Na or aspirated I'm more concerned with diameters and bends having it as straight as possible"

    :) thanks
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