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Re:Coolant reaching radiator...only sometimes lol 2012/10/25 16:37:37 (permalink)
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how can the bypass hose be missing
wasnt your old engine running fine temp. wise ????
im also leaning towards the pump. should have used a genuine one man.

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Re:Coolant reaching radiator...only sometimes lol 2012/10/25 17:14:05 (permalink)
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I think its a beams engine he has.  If it has its thermostat in the water pump inlet as normal with the other 3s engines and it does NOT for some idiotic reason have a bypass hose feeding heated coolant to the water pump inlet and consequently the thermostat then the thermostat will only ever open via conduction from the coolant in the block through the water pump.  Absolutely hopeless.  But it does fit the symtoms.  Must have a bypass hose from the coolant outlet on flywheel end of cylinder head to water pump inlet .   PM me if you need more.
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Re:Coolant reaching radiator...only sometimes lol 2012/10/25 17:26:55 (permalink)
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Tree, have a look at this link and tell us if you have the bypass pipes pictured. It is a 3sgte but should be the same as yours.
http://turbomr2.com/MR2/H...lding_the_3SGTE-02.htm
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Re:Coolant reaching radiator...only sometimes lol 2012/10/25 19:58:03 (permalink)
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Thanks for the concern fellas lol
I am a little weary about the dyno but I think it should be okay as long as I warm up the car before the run. At least I'll be getting the tacho fixed that morning lmao
It's dark outside so I'll take some quality photos tomorrow of my plumbing jobby.
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Re:Coolant reaching radiator...only sometimes lol 2012/10/25 20:21:05 (permalink)
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Off topic but...I'm an MR2 Master now  loool seems to have happened after giving all the thumbs up. Ironic but as the saying goes "give and you shall receive" hehe
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Re:Coolant reaching radiator...only sometimes lol 2012/10/25 20:35:57 (permalink)
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'master' probably means suffering great frustration and mastering the urge to set the thing alight!

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Re:Coolant reaching radiator...only sometimes lol 2012/10/25 20:53:49 (permalink)
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Hahaha I really like that reasoning! Thanks mods!
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Re:Coolant reaching radiator...only sometimes lol 2012/10/26 07:42:12 (permalink)
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im going head gasket.
 
when mine was screwed i used to find the temp would drop if i kept revs up to force water through.
 
by the time i actiually changed it , was too late, alloy head had gone soft and i had to get a new one.

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Re:Coolant reaching radiator...only sometimes lol 2012/10/31 21:52:48 (permalink)
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I've been told the HG on the Beams is some tough metal, if it blows it'll be somewhere else like a hairline crack on the block.
Anyways positive results from the decay test! So HG is ruled out officially
I'm now 100% sure it's the bypass that's missing. This article explains it pretty well:
http://www.ehow.com/how_7...olant-bypass-hose.html
So my erratic temp gauge is due to "cavitation". Cool word. For now I'm just gonna stop driving the car until I can get it to IDB where they can do a proper plumbing job.
Oh yeh here's a few pics of my current Frankenstein setup:
Notice the weird looking outlet - that's the fwd water outlet from the Caldina/Celica. Most likely better if I change it to one from a Beams SW20 but even a Gen 3 3S from late model Sw20 should be okay. So if you see one for sale let me know :)









 
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Re:Coolant reaching radiator...only sometimes lol 2012/10/31 22:40:56 (permalink)
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First pic shows that there is no clearance between the timing cover and strut tower :/
Once I get everything sorted out, I feel compelled to write up a definitive guide to the Beams swap in an SW20. I know it's not a hard swap but I know there are more fools out there like me knowingly making their life harder. As Gen 2s are getting older I suspect these engines will be a commonplace but I'm actually surprised they aren't common now!
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Re:Coolant reaching radiator...only sometimes lol 2012/10/31 23:41:33 (permalink)
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Sorry to hear of your overheating issues.
I had exactly the same symptoms on my previous 3S-GTE engine after Mr T flushed my coolant.
Did all the things you've listed with no effect, ended up swapping in a Gen 3.
I highly suspect that the initial problem was compounded dramatically by me continuing to driving it around after the initial overheating event, (with one eye on the temp gauge and a hand ready to turn the heater on), to the point where only an engine rebuild or swap would solve the issue.
 
A couple things you may want to check;
Warm engine up with radiator cap off, do you see bubbles coming out the filler cap? If so it's probably the head gasket or trapped air in your pipes.
There is also a chemical test you can complete, that checks for engine gasses dissolved in your coolant, this would again indicate the head gasket or crack in the block.
I had my coolant system pressure checked, all was fine pressure wise... but I'm sure now that there was probably a micro crack in the block or warped head/head gasket which drove engine/coolant temps up.
 
I hope this helps and wish you luck with your MR2.
 
 

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Re:Coolant reaching radiator...only sometimes lol 2012/11/01 08:59:06 (permalink)
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i told you before and im telling you again, thats the worst plumbing job ive ever seen, im betting thats where your issues probably are.
i would do a proper plumbing job and use the bypass hose if yours still doesnt have it and see what happens
 

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Re:Coolant reaching radiator...only sometimes lol 2012/11/01 11:15:51 (permalink)
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Hey DVSTurbo2 thanks for the advice I've stopped driving her since...yesterday
I did that chemical test you mentioned on Tuesday and it's all fine. When I drive the car hard after a warm up there's no probs at all. It's only during the first 20 mins of cold start but that's enough reason to not drive it.
It's all good now I've passed the stressful bit as I know what the problem is now. Just focusing on the positives like being grateful to have a car lol etc
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Re:Coolant reaching radiator...season finale! 2012/12/06 18:39:04 (permalink)
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Final update, closing this chapter once and for all (hopefully)!
Well I got her back from IDB today with Beams spec water plumbing and even Beams spec fuel lines. Very pleasing to the eye.




 
Due to the intake setup obstruction the coolant filler neck hose had to be modded. I think the airbox position is constraint by the wiring length which in turn was largely due to it being completed long before the mechanical fittings were finalised.
Big thanks to Mandalay for the outlet, fuel lines, Road & Track for the water hoses and IDB for putting everything together. And thanks to everyone who posted for support!
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Re:Coolant reaching radiator...season finale! 2012/12/06 18:44:12 (permalink)
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Hopefully you can start to get some enjoyment out of your car.

Theres no shortage of us putting lots of $ for minor miles.

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