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Re:Coolant reaching radiator...only sometimes lol 2012/10/20 23:52:18 (permalink)
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Yeh mate I use those hoses lol I'm not some novice in this area. It would be a bloody mess if I didn't use it. If I had a dollar for every time I've refilled/bleed/flushed the cooling system on this car I would be..fairly rich hehe
Sorry if I sound frustrated it just gets annoying when people repeatedly suggest something you already know (like being patronised) but I do appreciate the help.
I'll say it again I've never had problems servicing the coolant before the engine swap, it's only after that this is playing up on me. I suppose the lesson here for me to learn (especially in my case) is if you wanna do something, do it right for the first time. Unfortunately I didn't have full control over making certain decisions on this car but I've definitely earned some experience the hard way. I can't go back in time but I can certainly try teach my kids! (hopefully they won't be as stubborn has me haha)
Anyways I took the car for a hard run around the block at optimum temp earlier today, no needle fluctuations so it seems okay for now. I'll sort this **** out after exams
It sucks BIG time when car's unreliable but on better days it's hard to be disappointed by the short comings
post edited by Tree - 2012/10/20 23:55:33
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Re:Coolant reaching radiator...only sometimes lol 2012/10/21 13:12:52 (permalink)
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I suppose it is necessary to update this post so new people reading know what's been tried etc. From the beginning:
  1. New radiator. Beams engine swap. Radiator plumbing maybe sub-optimal, but it works. New thermostat.
  2. Rusty coolant from swapped engine. Temp gauge erratic. Proceed to flush the coolant. Tested thermostat (submerged in hot water) - measurement within specs, working fine. Instructions for flush/bleed/refill is followed religiously from BGB and Reddtarga (MR2 Veteran).
  3. After refilling the coolant, engine slowly overheats after getting up to optimum temperature. Radiator cold. Let car cool off for ~10 mins. Drive car hard. No problems. This scenario repeats at least 3-4 times, after refilling coolant. Changed to genuine thermostat. No difference. Give up.
  4. Take it to mech. Report: Thermostat opens very slowly - only after 10-15 mins. No overheating episodes. Temp sensor tested and it works fine.
  5. 20/10/12. Temp erratic again. Raises fists to the heavens.
Today:
After heading home from church, temp spikes. I pull over. Radiator is cold. Wait for the car to cool off. Temp gauge erratically comes down a few times. I turn ignition to ON and off several times and notice that each time I turn it ON, the temp reduces lower and lower until it's above cold the mark. This indicates that the thermostat is slowly opening while the car is cooling down. But this is nothing new. The only difference here is that it spikes instead of gradually overheating. I drive home in peace. Radiator is now hot. 
 
So the big issue/symptom is that: Thermostat opens very late - ~10 mins


In conclusion here are the potential problem areas and solutions that I think most of you will agree to:
Head gasket - not providing enough seal to pressurise coolant in the system. Once the thermostat is open however temps seem to stabilise. Mech says there's a potential this is the issue if driving it hard causes temps to rise.
Solution: Cooling system pressure test. I think before spending any more $$$ this is the way to go so as a logical process of elimination so I'll know what to do next. I'm broke anyways.
Coolant plumbing - engine was swapped by incompetent mechanic. Water plumbing maybe not the best although I'm not sure of the specific symptoms. Solution: Change all pipes hoses.
If a mech (specialist I might add) couldn't get rid of simple air bubbles what makes you think that air/bleeding is the problem?
So yeh anyone who says "you didn't refill coolant/bleed air properly blah blah" I'm just gonna ignore but don't take it personally now that you understand where I'm coming from. Actually it's probably better I ignore rather than respond in an aggravated matter
 
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Re:Coolant reaching radiator...only sometimes lol 2012/10/21 14:09:56 (permalink)
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What about replacing the water pump? You might not be getting enough volume of water flowing around the system???
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Re:Coolant reaching radiator...only sometimes lol 2012/10/21 14:18:32 (permalink)
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As a side note, where did you source the beams from. Any warranty?

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Re:Coolant reaching radiator...only sometimes lol 2012/10/21 15:27:49 (permalink)
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Mrskylighter

What about replacing the water pump? You might not be getting enough volume of water flowing around the system???

That may also fit the symptoms, but as the mech said so could a leaking head gasket so maybe check that out first.
 
I remember reading a post by Road and Track, about one car that had difficult to diagnose cooling problems.
After trying just about everything else to fix it,  they finally discovered a non-genuine water pump insert had been fitted that had smaller rotors than stock and did not circulate the coolant properly.

1990 ADM NA
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Re:Coolant reaching radiator...only sometimes lol 2012/10/21 16:29:23 (permalink)
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Yeh the water pump idea has been brought up before. It was replaced when the engine got swapped in but I'm not sure whether it was genuine or not. But changing the water pump = taking the engine out = $600 already  . Do what you gotta do I guess
 
Engine was from SSS Automotive, it was quite a clean engine all three mech's agreed. Done under 100,000 (claimed 70,000). 2nd Mech reckons the head got re-coed sometime. Whether it was due to past overheating in Japland or not is anyone's guess. Warranty was 1 month after they sent the ECU. It was finished months before the engine actually got fitted LOL
 
Mann...getting the engine out again I may as well pull the brakes and put in redtop extractors, LSD...
 
 
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Re:Coolant reaching radiator...only sometimes lol 2012/10/21 16:36:34 (permalink)
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Haha awesome just found this article (cheap water pump test)
http://autospeed.com/cms/.../A_110478/article.html
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Re:Coolant reaching radiator...only sometimes lol 2012/10/21 16:57:46 (permalink)
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Engine doesn't need to come out for a water pump change does it? A timing belt can be done with the engine in.
 
Edit: Can you find out exactly what type of water pump was installed?
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Re:Coolant reaching radiator...only sometimes lol 2012/10/21 17:11:38 (permalink)
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i had a similar issue which ended up being the Metal Head gasket not sealing propeely onj the head (wasnt machined properly)
anyway the car would drive properly for more than 40 mins or so and then it would start misfiring so i would pull over and find that there coolant spewing out the overflow bottle and onto the igniter causing misfiring
if the car wouldnt misfire i wouldnt have known the coolant was being lost and would have kept driving, temp. gauge was steady all the way
 
im not saying this is youre issue but
 
i would take some spare water or coolant and go for a long drive with a mate, freeway driving preferably and keep checking every 20 or so mins if its overheating or loosing coolant out the overflow.
 
the problem with mine was a very small hairline crack on the headgasket so it would only show up after driving for a while..
 
i would also find out wether a genuine pump was used.
 
im more than happy to give you hand if needed with the bleeding etc..
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Re:Coolant reaching radiator...only sometimes lol 2012/10/21 17:43:18 (permalink)
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Mrskylighter

Engine doesn't need to come out for a water pump change does it? A timing belt can be done with the engine in.

Correct.

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Re:Coolant reaching radiator...only sometimes lol 2012/10/21 17:47:31 (permalink)
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Yeh I asked Ian about changing the pump whilst engine in the car. He gave me a stern look LOL. Might be doable but imagine the all the years taken from you due to all the frustration lmao. Start seeing grey hairs in the mirror ...Dunno about the AW11 but SW20 engine bay is pretty damn tight. My timing belt cover is literally scrapping against the strut tower!
 
I asked the guy who fitted my engine about the water pump a while back he says he replaced with a new one but that's about it. I'll give him another buzz to find out as much as I can.
 
Thanks purple I should be capable with doing the system myself but if ur free I'll let you know when if I need help. More the merrier :D and you can stop me from pulling hairs (tho I might pull yours instead haha)
Honestly the hardest or most frustrating bit isn't the cooling system but the underbody panels, taking them out, putting them back in. My hyd jack sucks so I can only get the stands to one pin-hole raised and I don't have a creeper so I'm twisting like a worm under the car, in pain.
 
Hmm this is interesting. Race application too.
http://liquidintelligence...monials/stephen-anslow
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Re:Coolant reaching radiator...only sometimes lol 2012/10/21 17:50:30 (permalink)
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lol only if you live near me ... i would have lend you my creeper :)

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Re:Coolant reaching radiator...only sometimes lol 2012/10/21 17:56:58 (permalink)
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If only :')
Also saw you bought a Gen 3 congrats on the buy and you're getting a good shop to do it  = no dramas like this lol
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Re:Coolant reaching radiator...only sometimes lol 2012/10/25 16:10:27 (permalink)
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Mini update
I spoke to the mech who swapped my engine he's adamant that the water pump is correct and I believe him as he sounded quite honest (even if he made past mistake). The brand of the water pump is Repco, and he's never had issues in the past.
 
I then spoke to another mech who reckons that my car is missing some sort of bypass hose which would be the reason the coolant doesn’t reach the radiator. Makes sense. If this is the case my initial assumption is correct >:D and I’m the unofficial MR2 water system pro (not really)
 
Booked in for a coolant pressure test (called it a decay test?) anyways to check head gasket integrity.
 
I’m also in for a dyno run this Sat so wish me luck the car doesn’t overheat on the rollers lol
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Re:Coolant reaching radiator...only sometimes lol 2012/10/25 16:28:58 (permalink)
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My money is on that Repco water pump not working correctly.
 
Be careful on the dyno man!
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