just_ace
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Re:Head gasket hell
2012/05/23 17:33:57
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oh, so you haven't had the head off and you just wnated to somewhat verify the cost of getting it done and a new HG fitted? are you able to list exaclty waht has been done in the way of parts replaced and tests done? do you know if "AL" (whoever that is) has pressure tested your system? PK tested for exh gas in in coolant? tested the water temp gauge is accurate and working correctly? rad cap working? is it loosing coolant? boiling? forcing it out off the overflow container or blowing white smoke?
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Re:Head gasket hell
2012/05/23 17:43:05
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I was told that a Pressure test, comp test, sniffer test were all done. Apparently no untoward results. Replaced thermostat, coolant outlet housing and a few hoses. New coolant and bleed system. Told the car was good, picked it up and it cooked within 15 km of the workshop. Round 2 replaced a/c amplifier because he thought the fans were not coming on, told the car was good went to pick it up and it didn't even make it out of the driveway as they test drove it again before I got there and cooked it again.
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Re:Head gasket hell
2012/05/23 17:45:25
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Haven't checked the operation of the water temp gauge, rad cap looks fine. I havent tested the gauge because the first time the temp went high the overflow was fairly pissing coolant on my driveway so thats accurate in my mind.
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Re:Head gasket hell
2012/05/23 17:49:14
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Here's the fun part, it doesn't blow smoke, throw water out of the overflow or loose coolant. The engine temp goes up on the gauge but hate fans won't engage. Leads me to believe that it either has a hg problem and is taking air into the cooling system under boost and develops an airlock or I have a problem with flow through the radiator. I don't think it can be the radiator because the previous owner had the radiator reconditioned professionally just before I was unlucky enough to buy his problems.
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Re:Head gasket hell
2012/05/23 18:13:04
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It sounds like the radiator could be blocked which could happen if it was flushed incorrectly etc. I'd get it flow tested by a radiator place just to make sure, before jumping to replace the HG.
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Re:Head gasket hell
2012/05/23 19:23:15
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Do you have receipts for the rad work?
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Re:Head gasket hell
2012/05/23 19:33:00
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Re:Head gasket hell
2012/05/23 19:56:08
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Sounds fishy, A/C amplifier is only to do with A/C and to switch the fans in series and low speed. If you disconnect the sender on the radiator fans should come on by default. If the gauge goes up in temp its on the outlet to the left of the radiator passenger side. The sender is on the right drivers side. I reckon the guy who sold you this car really knows whats wrong :( Feel the hose on the right and see if its hot. If it isnt its not circulating .
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Re:Head gasket hell
2012/05/23 20:06:01
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Just_ace I do have the receipts Nissky, turned out to be a water pump in that forum post Mandalay, wether the guy who owned the car previously knows or not doesn't help me because he won't answer my phone calls or emails. Dude used to be on this forum actually, went by the name of slickrick. Mother****er even has a used car salesmans name too.
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Re:Head gasket hell
2012/05/23 21:10:23
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Ok well disconnect the radiator sender. Have the key on ignition on By doing so the Relay No1 will de-energise and the fan should come on, If not something is a miss check relay is operational.
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Re:Head gasket hell
2012/05/23 21:13:32
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Relays work fine, I have disconnected the sensor on the radiator and they come on. Rad sensor has also been checked.
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Re:Head gasket hell
2012/05/23 23:07:24
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Ok so feel the water outlet of the radiator is it hot ?. It should be , if not its not going thru. Possible the water pump is knackered also
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Re:Head gasket hell
2012/05/24 06:22:21
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I wonder if there is a test that can be done to determine how much flow you have in a cooling system
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Re:Head gasket hell
2012/05/24 07:51:21
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over the years, we have had only a few cars with this mount of bother, and I fully understand the owners' frustrations Overheating can be very difficult to find, as the 'obvious" problems are not always the only ones. The various pressure and chemical tests for a blown/leaking head gasket are never perfect. if they find "no leaks" thats not 100% certainty. if they find a leak, then that's 100% (chemical reactions dont lie) You cant really compare a rebuild of an engine like a 3SGTE with a bolt-in second hand 2GR. different deal totally. The biggest problem is the cost of labour and the man hours needed. In this country, any reputable mechanical shop charging less than about $90/hour is losing money. it takes us about 40 hours to remove a 3SGTE, overhaul it fully (internal machining etc) and then put it back in. Add to that cost of parts and $7-$8K appears quickly. I doubt many others can do it this quickly as we are one of the only shops that do it all in-house, and have spent years building special tools,. jigs etc to do these cars. Generalist mechanics often look at these cars and run away and hide, because other jobs are much more profitable. They are not incompetent, they just dont want your work. Taking a MR2 to these people for major jobs like engine or transmission repairs is just asking for trouble as they get caught every time. Dealership can often be the worst, because 75% of their staff have no experience other than near-new cars, and these dont have any "old car" issues like i constantly see appear on these forums I hope this puts you all in the picture
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Re:Head gasket hell
2012/05/24 08:56:48
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i dont think the 3sgte is the hard/expensive part about working on an mr2.. i think it's cause the MR2 makes it friggin impossible to get to anything... and the rear layout means the engine bay sees a lot of heat which isn't great for electrics, hoses or detonation issues.... it's just part of owning the car... it's a bit like a ducati, it'll make a mechanic out of you because you either so you can work on it or so you know what your mechanic is doing and if hes bullshifting you.
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