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2012/05/01 02:32:42 (permalink)
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Eibach Pro Kit with stock struts or must combo?

Right now I've basically got a stock setup except the rear springs are a bit lowered (red, most likely Pedder's Springs)
Car is a JDM 1990 SW20 N/A, and it's the same setup since I bought the car, conditions of the springs/strut unknown but, ride is okay/good, shocks seem to be doing their job. Fronts take speed bumps better than rears, maybe cos rear's are lowered with stock springs.
Anyways cutting to the chase, Winton Fun Day (Vic) is coming up (7th July) which is a good opportunity to explore my car and have a bit of "fun" and considering my unbalanced combo, should I:
  1. Swap rears with 2nd hand springs, struts stock - super budget. Can I really find a decent one?
  2. Eibach Pro Kit, struts stock - Will my ride/performance actually suffer? Maybe bump stops can help
  3. Eibach Pro Kit + Tokico/Koni - most $$$ but eventually will get, maybe few months after giving wallet a rest
  4. Do nothing
I'm looking for bang for buck right now but eventually I want to upgrade to no.3. Current mods include: Kirk engine mount inserts, Porterfield R4S pads, Motul 5.1 fluid, poly bushes and a new heart coming in, pumping 100hp per litre.
I'll be going up against DC2R. It's gonna be tough...
All inputs welcome
 
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    MRTurbo
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    Re:Eibach Pro Kit with stock struts or must combo? 2012/05/01 09:31:04 (permalink)
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    Do it right the first time man. I've had Pro Kits and adjustable Konis in mine since I bought it and I think its perfect for the street and carving through the hills. IF for the track though I'd really want beefier SWAY BARS/Anti roll bars though, especially if you are using sticky tyres. Also re tyres at a minimum I'd be using equivalent Ultra high performance tyres/Extreme performance eg. Federal RS-Rs, AD08s, etc. NOT Bob jane specials as an MR2 isn't really a car that you want sliding around all over the track - then you'll be right on the tail of that Integra ;)

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    Re:Eibach Pro Kit with stock struts or must combo? 2012/05/01 09:34:04 (permalink)
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    A cheaper option:
    Stock post '92 springs/Koni's/stock struts will ride better than Pro-Kits with a similar ride height.
    I currently run these and handling and ride is great.
    BTW, each Pro-kit spring is 2kg heavier than the stock Toyota ones.
     
     
     

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    Re:Eibach Pro Kit with stock struts or must combo? 2012/05/01 13:13:02 (permalink)
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    Eibachs work with stock struts, but given the age of many SW20s, its often the struts are the problem in the first place.
     
    Another option is we can get a set of BC coilovers or Megan racing coilovers for about $1200-1300 brand new to save the hassle of trying to get matched parts.

     
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    Re:Eibach Pro Kit with stock struts or must combo? 2012/05/01 13:21:52 (permalink)
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    My stock sway bar sizes are 17mm and 18mm, forgot which way it was but I think it's front and rear respectively. Not sure how stable the sways really are at limit but definitely getting new tyres as they reach their limit before anything else! However I have read that it's better to get a not so good tyre so it's more forgiving once the grip has been used up, good for learning the car's behaviour. AD08 are probably the best tyres I will ever run on this car lol. Something like KU31's is what I was looking for.
    Yeh I forgot to mention 92+ springs on the options but I suppose if the struts are good then maybe I can use the later models springs. Def looking like the best option here! Also good to know Eibach are a whopping 2 kg each which means more unsprung/sprung weight (suspension would be a bit of both?)
     
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    Re:Eibach Pro Kit with stock struts or must combo? 2012/05/01 13:24:20 (permalink)
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    Hey dylmrt how is the ride quality with BC coilovers? Even on the softest settings, is it streetable?
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    Re:Eibach Pro Kit with stock struts or must combo? 2012/05/01 13:32:48 (permalink)
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    they're 2 kg heavier because they're not soft like most stock springs
    if anyone is worried about un-sprung weight, then they should be looking at their wheels first.
    adjusting the damping with the Konis gives you the best of both worlds - set it softer for a daily, crank it to max on the track. It the harsh damping that gives a bad ride. Most coilovers I've found give a harsh ride on less than perfect roads.

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    Re:Eibach Pro Kit with stock struts or must combo? 2012/05/01 14:54:53 (permalink)
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    I run BC's and I have no problem with them on the street. there also fully adjustable for track work as well
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    Re:Eibach Pro Kit with stock struts or must combo? 2012/05/01 14:56:19 (permalink)
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    They're not as soft as stock that's for sure, but on the softest setting, I've heard they're bearable.
     
    Tristan (voodoo) should be able to comment, perhaps you should email him as he recently bought a set.

     
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    Re:Eibach Pro Kit with stock struts or must combo? 2012/05/01 17:06:10 (permalink)
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    Have a mate who might have BC's, maybe I'll ask him for a ride. While we're on topic, how does Tokico Illuminas compare with Konis in terms of ease of use? In fact, can you change shock settings while it's already installed? Apparently there's 5 settings with Tokicos and Koni's have "infinite" adjustability which might make it confusing...
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    Re:Eibach Pro Kit with stock struts or must combo? 2012/05/01 19:39:23 (permalink)
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    If you can afford it, buy your shocks before your springs. The Koni/ Eibach combo is proven to be popular but as mark said. Late model SW20 springs will offer a similar ride height while retaining factory ride quality. I have read good things about Tokico Illuminas, being a good budget option but for a few hundred more you might as well save for another week and shell out on Konis. As far as coilovers go. Give Ottomoto in Sydney a look. Their hsd brand coilovers are probably worth a look. Dont worry about upgrading swaybars. Imo this is not an area needing much attention. just get a good allignment, some quality pads up front ( QFM performance pads ) available from Lilydale brake and clutch in VIC are awesome compromise pads for daily and track use and a change of engine fluids and get out there. Drive smoothly and have fun. These cars can bite hard if your too aggressive!
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    Re:Eibach Pro Kit with stock struts or must combo? 2012/05/01 23:09:24 (permalink)
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    If you're upgrading brake pads, do the rear ones as well. Just upgrading the front will stuff up the brake bias. As for suspension, I got some BC racing inverted coilovers not too long ago. I played with the damper settings a little bit and it's actually not too bad on the street. You'd want to avoid potholes but it's not too uncomfortable. Just depends on what you define as comfortable. I'm yet to try them on the track but I'm sure they'll be a damn sight better than my 15 year old stock suspension. With 200hp your car should be able to keep up with a dc2 for sure. For tyres, get something like a kumho ku36, federal rsr, ad08 etc. Don't bother with ku31. Any of those "ordinary" street tyres overheat and get real slippery after only a handful of laps. The ones I listed will grip better and cope much better with the heat. They are still very forgiving, it's semi slicks that tend to be snappier on the limit.
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    Re:Eibach Pro Kit with stock struts or must combo? 2012/05/02 01:00:24 (permalink)
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    Thanks for the good info guys don't worry my brakes are already sorted out, new standard rotors, fluid and Porterfield pads (recommended by Terry Heick in "MR2 Performance"). They're supposed to be quite good but I never reached "nosebleed" braking power due to crappy 1998 tyres (competed in 2012 ARC Forum Battle but wet conditions). In fact I never got the chance to run them in before I killed the old engine lol
    For now I might just go for the 93+ springs and cheapest decent performance tyres so I can get to save up for the goodies later. I think for me getting more camber at the front is top priority. Right now it's something like -45' front, -2 deg rear, just terrible haha. I'd love to know the entire owner history of my car.
     
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    Re:Eibach Pro Kit with stock struts or must combo? 2012/05/02 01:10:45 (permalink)
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    Oh and the reason I mention KU31's is because is hard to find 205/45/16 size for my fronts (GTSt) but my alignment shops says 205/50/16 front would be more correct aspect ratio as my rears are 225/45/16? Would 205/50/16 give better grip or that's tyre pressures?
    post edited by Tree - 2012/05/02 01:22:05
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    Re:Eibach Pro Kit with stock struts or must combo? 2012/05/02 01:18:50 (permalink)
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    With some luck on my side hopefully i'll have my Koni/Eibach combo fitted. I'll give you a gringos evaluation on them.

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