olympic00
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After some advice
Hey Guys I have a Jan 92 SW20 non turbo (ADM). Early Gen 2. I have just discovered that it has a blown head gasket. Fortunate for me it is only leaking oil. (not coolant or the two mixing together). As the head gasket has to come off, I'm thinking of the idea of having bigger valves put in it...perhaps more compression like the 94+ models. Can anyone advise me if this is worth doing? What should I be suggesting/asking my mechanic ? Is there a robust head gasket brand/type that I should have installed to avoid this again for the time I plan to own the car (5+ years) I love this car and would prefer to have it fixed.....I've been quoted $1500 so far and advised to go for a new timing belt while at it. Just want some help to get a bit more power out of it if possible...thanks :)
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Re:After some advice
2012/04/19 19:44:47
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Fit a cometic mls head gasket. Dont need bigger valves, just fit some bc 264 cams and springs.
Cams will make a bigger diff than valves.
Also gen3 dropped cr, it was gen4 that bumped it back up. Unledd nonstock ecu retain std compratio
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Re:After some advice
2012/04/19 20:50:24
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IF you want to squeeze some easy power, a ct20b turbo would be better than head work imo. Just get the gasket done and get the gen3 turbo.
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Re:After some advice
2012/04/19 20:52:35
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at the end of the day it depends on how deep your pockets are and how much you are willing to spend
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Re:After some advice
2012/04/19 21:38:55
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the way i'm looking at it: Buy Cams + install conservatively $600+ = a little extra power across the band, but the ct26 still won't hold boost to red line, so a lot of that is wasted. vs. buy ct20b and install urself since much easier than cams ~$600 = more power, more response, boost all the way to red line. But if you wanna go down eiter path, happy to help you out with parts if you need em ;)
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Re:After some advice
2012/04/19 21:53:24
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Dylan the OP only has a NA, I think you overlooked that. If not, it would be a 3SGE+T or a complete engine swap that would be a fair bit more in both parts and labour. Especially due to the limited parts availability in WA.
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Re:After some advice
2012/04/19 22:02:09
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Oh silly me. only just read the Non-turbo. Cams it is then hahaha.
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Re:After some advice
2012/04/19 22:12:00
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I've always been against spending money upgrading a motor when a much more powerful motor is a factory option. Working an NA motor is a different game, as individual mods tend to be insignificant on their own. To see a decent power increase you'd need to spend a lot of cash, and at that point its probably cheaper to do a turbo swap. Do whats required to keep it running, and save you're mod money for a turbo IMO.
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Re:After some advice
2012/04/19 22:37:14
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oops, missed the whole NA part too. yes the gen3 had an extra 0.3CR.
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Re:After some advice
2012/04/20 10:37:49
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The first thing to do is get the head crack tested and checked for warping. If warped it would need dressing if any new head gasket is to last. But I would be worried about doing a full reco on the head without doing rings and bottom end as well, which of course means $$$$
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Re:After some advice
2012/04/23 11:33:24
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Thanks to everyone who helped out with my query. Also spoke to Tristan from WTF who gave me some other advice: (1) Have already replaced the rocker cover (2) Advised by WTF to also check oil pump seal (RHS engine bay leaks) (3) Check around Distributor (LHS engine bay leaks) (4) In my case head gasket confirmed by mechanic. While at it as the engines coming out having timing belt done too. Cars only done 138K and had been garaged for 6 years unlicensed before I bought it. Engine bay was in prestine condition when I bought it and inspection didnt reveal any issues. Being driven as a weekend car only, and after first year of ownership, first issue with the car... oh well what can you do ? Booked in with mechanic :)
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Re:After some advice
2012/04/23 12:55:34
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Well...if it's gonna cost 2k+ for engine recondition/head and you said you want more power...may I suggest a 3SGE BEAMS engine swap? They are about 200hp flywheel but kinda uncommon motor from what I heard. Unless you want more power then tubby is da way to go (more common). You'll need axles and hubs etc tho
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Re:After some advice
2012/04/30 13:22:51
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Hey Tree I'd love to go 3SGE Beams (~147KW) but I also dont think I'll have much luck tracking down one of these motors :( Well I drove the car to the mechanic today and having the repairs carried out. Just a quick question and throwing it out there...... I understand that the Jap G-Limited's are rated at ~121KW while the AUS model (Gen 2) is rated at ~117KW (please correct me if I'm wrong)...where or how can I up my power to be on par with the G-Limited...is it to do with the cars ECU settings???...is this somehow programmable to the AUS stock ECU???...I know the power between the two is so minute and may not even be worth talking about but just curious. Also....can anyone from first hand experience compare a NA Gen 2 to a NA Gen 3.....is the ~131KW Gen 3 motor compared to Gen 2 motor ~117KW - 121KW a major difference. I read somewhere that Gen2 0-100Km are capable in 7.5secs where as the Gen 3 is 7.2secs apparently.....does this sound right to other peeps here.....(I would of thought the Gen 3 would be a couple of car lengths ahead of the Gen 2 on the power in a straight line??) Sorry guys I cant afford turbo right now.......mortgage repayments are enough for me...so NA is the way for me to go right now ;) Thanks to ALL again
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Re:After some advice
2012/04/30 16:40:07
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If you're in NSW, there might be a few BEAMS lying around ask Ichiban Imports or SSS Automotive but don't get a bare engine otherwise it's just a headache. There's a theory that Japanese fuel is of better quality so JDM motors run at a higher compression or have no EGR system which bumps up the power a bit. You won't have much luck "tuning" the ECU with a dyno or whatever. Saying that there is a way you might be able to increase power with NA, by modifying the intake system. A guy named Wiz has done this with dyno results and got 4rwkw and 14 Nm of torque!!! I was in the middle of this but never finished it as my engine blew lol (well in about 2000km) I recently read a post up on MR2.com and there's a guy named mr220v who said that the gear ratios are slightly different on the Gen 2 and Gen 3 motors. This might explain why Gen 2s are equal or faster than Gen 3 despite less power. Gen 3 apparently might have a more relaxed gear ratio. In the end it's all about time and money again so easiest and least headache method would be what you're doing I suppose. P.S There's a guy called " Whore of Babylon" that is selling a Gen 2 reconditioned head with some work done which might be a good semi-upgrade for power. Maybe ask him about it?
post edited by Tree - 2012/04/30 16:43:40
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olympic00
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Re:After some advice
2012/04/30 18:18:31
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" This might explain why Gen 2s are equal or faster than Gen 3 despite less power." Thanks Tree I didn't know this.
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