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Re:Cooling options (Engine Bay, Intercooler) 2011/07/26 15:54:57 (permalink)
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start car  > let it idle > drive off > hit boost (fan comes ON and stays On until i turn the car OFF, so that means running all the time even idling in traffic etc etc)

The 2 relay circuit i posted up will do this, with the option of manually trigerring them to come on/turn off via the buttons if you so wish (only when ignition on).
 
many ways you can make it do what you want, this is just one of them, and is very simple and cheap.
 
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Re:Cooling options (Engine Bay, Intercooler) 2011/07/26 16:11:18 (permalink)
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/\ yes your diagram will work for what i want.
i choose the pressure sensor method because i know for a fact then that the fan will only come on once a boost signal is detected. leaving the ignition and starting side of the car free of electrical fan load.
time delay switch will work but only one flaw. if you leave the key in the ACC position and are fiddlign around with something (like maybe checking error codes) the fan will come on when the timer is triggered.
 
anyway ill see what i can come up with soon.

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Re:Cooling options (Engine Bay, Intercooler) 2011/07/26 16:25:09 (permalink)
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Fan only comes on with IGN, not ACC.  also, a lot of the power hungry items are swithed off by the car when cranking.  you are right thoough, the less load on a battery the better.
 
Idea for free pressure switch: http://www.autospeed.com/A_109233/cms/article.html
 
Also other sources if you like to tinker
 
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Re:Cooling options (Engine Bay, Intercooler) 2011/07/26 16:34:30 (permalink)
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that reminds me it seems silly to have my Davies craig running all the time in winter - time to plug that sensor in, the E85 keeps things cool anyway lol

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Re:Cooling options (Engine Bay, Intercooler) 2011/07/26 16:46:35 (permalink)
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You could easily add a temp sensor to the circuit so it can only activate if the IC is actually above a certain temp.
 
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Re:Cooling options (Engine Bay, Intercooler) 2011/07/26 18:33:58 (permalink)
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I have a DC fan running on stock wiring and it's been fine for a good 18months or so, so not sure what the issue is there. Heck I even soldered it myself (not a pro job). Why don't you just invest in a better battery if your worried about starting issues? As far as the rain shroud goes - I'd personally much rather have a **** load of hot air being taken out of the bay than try and keep a bit of water out. The only things the water has affected me with is the plugs on the ign leads don't seal very well...well 1 in particular and TWICE only has water gotten into the plug well and yes it does get a bit dirty.
 
I have 2 gauges running opening ceremony, DC fan on stock wiring (runs ALL the time), 2 11" SPAL fans running at full tilt, power steering and all the rest of it running by the time I have my ACC turned on - never had an issue.
 
My reasoning for keeping the sidemount fan running constantly is because I don't necessarily trust the amount of air that goes through the side vents is enough. Which was indicated to me a few times after a hose down and a 40km trip and I still had water drops on the vent louvre, quite alot - and everything else was dry.

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Re:Cooling options (Engine Bay, Intercooler) 2011/07/26 20:35:25 (permalink)
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/\ have you had any issues with the car not warming up or taking time to warm up with all that amount of air being drawn through.

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Re:Cooling options (Engine Bay, Intercooler) 2011/07/26 20:46:22 (permalink)
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fans in the engine bay will have negligible effect on the engine taking longer to come up to temp, unless we are talking the original beetles here??!!
 
If you are really worried about water on the motor, just fit one decent fan on the lhs above the gearbox.  make sure you shroud it.

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Re:Cooling options (Engine Bay, Intercooler) 2011/07/26 21:50:56 (permalink)
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No issues with car warming up. I always let it idle for a few minutes anyway until I can hear it change or switch to a different fuel setting or whatever it does...but revs drop and as soon as that happens - the car is fine to drive without surging and the usual business it carries on with from the AFM.
 
The shroud that the fans mount onto still cover a fair bit of surface area under the lid - the water will only go through the gaps left in the fan blades. I'll eventually get a PP lid to solve this...so the benefits of the fan and the benefit of a closed lid - that's open! Having the fans makes a huge difference to engine bay temps. After every single hard run i've done - I can still place and hold my hand on the IC pipe running to the TB which is directly over the motor.

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Re:Cooling options (Engine Bay, Intercooler) 2011/07/27 09:07:08 (permalink)
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Thanks guys iil look into this soon.
might bridge the fan ECU wiring and see if that solves the problem first, then try the pressure switch or time delay and see if that works.
 
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Re:Cooling options (Engine Bay, Intercooler) 2011/07/27 10:18:51 (permalink)
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Your fan (for whatever reason) seems to be drawing a heap more current than the stock one.  I wouldnt be bridging stuff to force it to work, do it properly before you do some damage or melt some wiring and cause a SW20 bonfire. 

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Re:Cooling options (Engine Bay, Intercooler) 2011/07/27 11:05:28 (permalink)
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you mean run a new relay.

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Re:Cooling options (Engine Bay, Intercooler) 2011/07/27 11:19:44 (permalink)
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yes, switch the fan via suitable relay, hooked up with suitable wiring, and controlled in one of the ways mentioned previously that best suits your requirement.
 
re your battery, agree that you dont want to overload the battery uneccesarily, but if your battery is struggling to start your car, its probably on its way out and anything you do is just delaying the inevitable.  Thats been my experience anyway.
 
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Re:Cooling options (Engine Bay, Intercooler) 2011/07/27 12:13:25 (permalink)
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battery starts the car fine, but i just didnt want to kill the damn thing early due to robbing power. the volt gauge give me a warning if i leave the stereo runnign (2 amps and HU) after the car engines been off. so the fan will only make it worse.
i dnt have a problem getting a new battery.

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Re:Cooling options (Engine Bay, Intercooler) 2011/07/27 13:22:39 (permalink)
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Sounds odd to me. I also have 2amps and headunit running and charging my ipod all the time. Ive purchased a battery once in 3 1/2 years.

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