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2011/05/03 23:28:27 (permalink)
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Aftermarket Fuel Rail

Hi Guys,
In the process of ordering in the bits and bob's i'll need for the gen3 3s-gte cyl head i'm working on.
As the head is getting the full works i was planning on overhauling the fuel system. Pump(s), Injectors, Rail, Regulator, ECU.
 
My main query is there are aftermarket fuel rails, namely HKS and SARD, going for $200-$400 depending on the place, i have however noticed no-name fuel rails for only $80 also. I'm not normally one to cheap out in preference to quality, but isn't the fuel rail just a bored out piece of metal with mounting points, some holes for injectors and fuel line connections.
 
I'm just wondering out loud as I would think the money be better spent on higher quality/better designed injectors or FPR, which to me, have more complexity to them.
 
Any thoughts?

'95 Bathurst SW20 + '96 Gen3 3S-GTE = MR2 Bathurst GT :)
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    just_ace
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    Re:Aftermarket Fuel Rail 2011/05/04 01:00:11 (permalink)
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    gen3 fuel rails flow alot better than the gen2 ones, not sure if they "need" upgrading. 
     
    you could always try and find either a rail of an gen3 NA or gen4 3sgte. they're both top feed.
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    Re:Aftermarket Fuel Rail 2011/05/04 17:18:17 (permalink)
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    Standard gen3 rail have enough flow to cater for 800cc injectors. Unless you're going for epic injectors don't really see the need for an aftermarket one.

     
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    Re:Aftermarket Fuel Rail 2011/05/04 19:34:28 (permalink)
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    Well the following toys are going into the head
    -1mm O/S valves (undercut, dished, friction welded, friction coated)
    -Jun Titanium retainers, Viton stem seals, Phosphor guides
    -MR-S Shimless lifters,
    -Adjustable cam gears,
    -Head porting, combustion chamber and blueprinting
    -Thermal coated Jun intake manifold (with a thermally insulated gasket)
    -Replace greddy sidemount with Water/Air setup
    -Water/methanol injection, for safety reasons
    -Borg Warner Aerworks turbo, running anything up to 30psi
    -Custom exhaust manifold and downpipe
    -Vband Clamp's everywhere
    -Nitrous Anti-lag system  (i haven't yet started this but plan on doing it, so to get a flat torque level as opposed to a torque curve, won't be stressing the engine beyond that which it will already by capable of without the giggle gas.)
    Already running $15k in the bottom end, which pulled 150rwkw on 4psi on the stock head
    I haven't yet got the flow numbers for the head (so i can size up a turbo and cams) then it will be down to how much the Wolf ECU can squeeze out.
     
    I'm aiming for 500-600hp so expecting i might need as you describe, epic injectors (if it ends up being 600hp and i'm running 850cc's then fuel rail pressure will be dangerously high). I've been looking at injector dynamics (modified bosch injectors), apparently they are able to handle large flow(even running their 1000cc injectors will require a higher rail pressure for 600hp ) and a quality idle, but they are expensive injectors. As they are top feed only, i was looking at aftermarket rails. I have only been using the online resources for sizing injectors, so am not too sure how accuate they actually are.

    '95 Bathurst SW20 + '96 Gen3 3S-GTE = MR2 Bathurst GT :)
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    just_ace
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    Re:Aftermarket Fuel Rail 2011/05/04 20:17:22 (permalink)
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    injector dynamics ID1000's arent expensive at all, contact dylmrt for a price. seeing as you've spent 15k on so far you'll laugh at the price of injs.
     
    so yeh. i'd say hunt down a one of those top feed rails i mentioned and get the ID's with the 11mm top adapters and you'll be laughing
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    Re:Aftermarket Fuel Rail 2011/05/04 21:22:35 (permalink)
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    ID2000's cost me just shy of $800 for 4.  ID1000's are much cheaper I believe.
     
    Just fabbed my fuel rail for my car yesterday, looks like a good thing.  Opted to encorporate the standard plastic isolators on the caldina head.  Assume they are there to assist in keeping heat out of the rail.
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    Re:Aftermarket Fuel Rail 2011/05/04 23:39:07 (permalink)
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    i'd never looked at prices for ID2000's till you said. would never have guessed they'd be double the price of the 1000's.
     
    nucking futs would be an appropriate discription of you i think tot's.
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    Re:Aftermarket Fuel Rail 2014/12/26 15:11:51 (permalink)
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    What do you guys think of the Wolfkatz fuel rail?
    And will the injector dynamic fit into the Wolfkatz
    post edited by MR2EVO - 2014/12/26 15:23:30
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    Re:Aftermarket Fuel Rail 2014/12/26 16:13:30 (permalink)
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    On my gen 2 3S-GTE I have a RacerX fuel rail with ID2000s and I recommend both (assuming that they have a gen 3 version of the fuel rail).
    post edited by robk - 2014/12/26 17:12:11

    There is an extensive build thread for my car here: http://www.mr2australia.com/mr2play/tm.aspx?m=18316
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    Re:Aftermarket Fuel Rail 2014/12/26 16:59:10 (permalink)
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    I also went with the RacerX rail and id2000 
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    Re:Aftermarket Fuel Rail 2014/12/26 20:01:03 (permalink)
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    thanks guys will look into it..
    how about suggestions on pump set up?
     
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    Re:Aftermarket Fuel Rail 2014/12/26 23:20:49 (permalink)
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    What mods do you have, power goals?
     
    You shouldn't need any more than a Walbro 450
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    Re:Aftermarket Fuel Rail 2015/05/09 18:59:06 (permalink)
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    Hi I have a 91 3sgte mr2 and am wondering if the racerx rail and a set of top feed injectors will fit on it with out them fowling on the inlet manifold
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    Lonewolf
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    Re:Aftermarket Fuel Rail 2015/05/10 17:16:39 (permalink)
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    I suspect you will be fine, the only thing I was concerned with was the end of the rail itself which turned out to be a non issue anyway. Mind you mine was a gen3 head so not sure if there's any "special" differences there that'd cause issues, but considering most of the after market parts available are for gen 2 (at least anything that is different between gen2/3 will generally specify which one ) I'd be guessing you're safe with it.

    '95 Bathurst SW20 + '96 Gen3 3S-GTE = MR2 Bathurst GT :)
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    Re:Aftermarket Fuel Rail 2015/05/14 22:00:32 (permalink)
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    Is there pics anywhere of the different generations engine bays
     
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