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RE: Checkin 2012/03/21 20:54:16 (permalink)
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States for everything right now is the cheapest by far. Issue with the gear box is the weight and ship only . Its not the kind of part you just pic up.
The turbo axles ive ordered and works out < $800 delivered. That 50% cheaper than here.
I went  on a buying frenzy because the States prices are cheaper and when your dealing with Turbo parts they are even cheaper than the prices in Japan, go figure that one out.
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RE: Checkin 2012/03/21 21:48:10 (permalink)
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You willing to give more info on the soundproofing you made?

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RE: Checkin 2012/03/22 05:48:06 (permalink)
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Not as yet as im going thru patent process of manufacture and formulation. Made the mistake 10 years ago and someone ripped me of.........
 
This time ive improved even more  and want to protect the information because it can be used in a lot of industries

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RE: Checkin 2012/03/24 15:16:26 (permalink)
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Just was going through the Exedy catalog and found something different that i havent seen with all my searching. Its a new clutch for 2012 which in a way combines both ultra fibre organic and metal facing. Has the springs and also cushions also and rated to 500 Hp. Showed my builder today and he gave it the thumbs up. However doesnt list MR2 but will see if it can be done given they have the same flywheel as the Hyper single



To me it looks it has the best part of both designs combined
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RE: Checkin 2012/03/26 18:26:43 (permalink)
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After many calls looks like the above clutch wont be available for the MR2.

So ill be going with this one. Ceramic button with springs but also with a cushion.
Had a chance to drive one of the shops RX7 with over 550 whp and this clutch and was great :)



This is an Exedy one.

But also there is another company here called Extreme which im 99% sure its the one in my car. They also have locally made flywheel moly and just a tad over the weight of the Toda but half the price and been told its better with the momentum



Pressure plate looks closer to the TRD design


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RE: Checkin 2012/03/26 19:52:07 (permalink)
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Take a look at the carbonetics range.  I know for fact the twin plate is very nice and also quite streetable.  I have one in both my MR2 & EVO.  They also do a single plate.

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RE: Checkin 2012/03/26 20:03:59 (permalink)
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I have an Exedy 'heavy duty button clutch' (not the cushion button type).
I expected it to be quite annoying to use, but it actually has quite a nice feel to it (not much different to stock really), and I'm very picky with clutches.

There is an extensive build thread for my car here: http://www.mr2australia.com/mr2play/tm.aspx?m=18316
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RE: Checkin 2012/03/26 20:10:02 (permalink)
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That's interesting rob, I always imagined the heavy duty clutch to be a bitch to use haha.
Does it have a similar biting point?
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RE: Checkin 2012/03/26 21:02:14 (permalink)
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That's interesting rob, I always imagined the heavy duty clutch to be a bitch to use haha.
Does it have a similar biting point?

Compared to before, I have to lift my clutch pedal higher before it starts to bite (I guess that could be adjusted if it bothered me).
Once it starts to bite, it can be slipped without too much fuss.
The range over which it can be slipped, is perhaps a little narrower than a stock clutch, so it takes a bit of getting used to, but once you get the hang of it you can take off really smoothly from a standstill.
 
*EDIT*
One other thing, initially when I was choosing a clutch, I was forgetting that 'button' clutches aren't meant to be the worst for driveability...twin-plate clutches are the ones that are extremely sh*t to use, but hold the most torque.
post edited by robk - 2012/03/26 21:08:29

There is an extensive build thread for my car here: http://www.mr2australia.com/mr2play/tm.aspx?m=18316
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RE: Checkin 2012/03/26 21:20:11 (permalink)
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Thanks guys.
 
How about noise on deceleration or neutral with the button clutch. I was told by Exedy its a hit or miss
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RE: Checkin 2012/03/26 22:08:04 (permalink)
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*EDIT*
One other thing, initially when I was choosing a clutch, I was forgetting that 'button' clutches aren't meant to be the worst for driveability...twin-plate clutches are the ones that are extremely sh*t to use, but hold the most torque.

 
Can you explaine what you mean about about that. I thought twin plate was like stock, light pedal easy to use holds more power and the only downside is they rattle. Thats how mine is
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RE: Checkin 2012/03/26 22:16:08 (permalink)
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I personally find that a twin plate clutch is more streetable than a cushion button clutch. It is only once you get into the severe end with triple and quad plate clutches that you have issues with shuddering and banging, and excessive pedal effort.
 
I will admit that exedy and xtreme are the more compliant models of button clutches, but have found them to be prone to shudder after a while, and a lot of the american stuff can be unbearable once fully bed in over a few thousand k's.
 
The take up on twin plates is good, it is very easy to modulate slipping the clutch, as you are progressively engaging two plates instead of one. That said, the downside of most twin plate clutches is the noise. Depending on the motor, how aggressively the car is cammed and the make of clutch, they can range from a quiet chatter, to a metallic orchestra.
 
Carbon twin plates on the other hand are exceptionally quiet, very easy to use, can handle the power well and have a very linear take up being a full face of carbon material (they don't have a metal core. I have installed and used a carbonetics twin plate in an evo, and it was brilliant (although the push/pull conversion had a very backyard feel to it.)
 
Abuse is the only thing that will kill a carbon clutch, and that is severe launching and clutch kicking. We had a customer break one of the plates in a ATS & across carbon twin plate and the car still drove, just a slight difficulty shifting gears at high rpm was a giveaway.
 
Another option is to see if Jim Berry race clutches can build you a unit to suit your needs. He can match up a kit to suit your needs and likes, be it organic, coppermix, button or otherwise, and is reasonably well priced.

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RE: Checkin 2012/03/26 23:28:05 (permalink)
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Will have a look at the Jim Berry, thanks
 
See if only that new Exedy was available for the MR2 i think it would be a good clutch.
 
In a way i really want a cushion, the springs but also have the ability to hold.
 
I want like OEM, maybe a tall ask but lets see
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RE: Checkin 2012/03/26 23:49:39 (permalink)
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Hmmm, maybe I'm confused again. I seem to remember briefly driving an R33 Skyline which had an extremely (almost unbearably) heavy and noisy clutch, and I thought it was a twin-plate of some sort. Maybe I'm wrong.
Oh well, all I can say is that my heavy duty button clutch feels good (almost like OEM), considering that it can handle a decent amount of torque.
I guess in my previous post I was sort of generalising a bit too much. There would be big differences between different brands and so on.

There is an extensive build thread for my car here: http://www.mr2australia.com/mr2play/tm.aspx?m=18316
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RE: Checkin 2012/03/27 07:39:57 (permalink)
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Yeah, I only have experience with carbonetics twin plates but I find them very driveable (though, during the first ~1500km or so they can be quite a bit more undrivable and grabby).  I had one in the MR2 first and it was my first choice when I had to get a clutch for the evo.  The push to pull conversion did seem a bit backyarder, but, its what every manufacturer seems to do so whatever.  I am hoping I don't have to change the clutch again any time soon, as removing the gearbox from the evo was nightmarish.
 
I have also had personal experience with Jim Berry.  Great bloke.  The clutch didn't end up working out for my application (twin plate tilton on custom flywheel) but he offered me a full refund on the clutch and thats when I went and purchased the carbonetics.  A mates car has one of his single plate clutches in it though and its A+.
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