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RE: robk's MR2 Turbo 2016/07/15 07:43:24 (permalink)
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I agree with your thinking. sometimes its better just to splash out and get it sorted once and for all

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RE: robk's MR2 Turbo 2016/08/04 14:54:20 (permalink)
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I forgot to mention that I had the intercooler piping welded up by Amien at APE Fabrication in Roselands Sydney. Send me a PM if you want his mobile number.
It was the first time that I've had work done by Amien, but I was very impressed with how fast he works and how nice his welds are. Plus he's very friendly. He works out of his shed at home, but for me this was a good thing because it meant that he was able to squeeze in a quick job for me with little notice.

There is an extensive build thread for my car here: http://www.mr2australia.com/mr2play/tm.aspx?m=18316
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RE: robk's MR2 Turbo 2016/08/09 09:16:14 (permalink)
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My speedo has now been successfully converted from cable-driven (AKA mechanical) to electronic. Here's a bit of an explanation of how I did it. 
 
My understanding (correct me if I'm wrong) is that there are 3 different speedo setups that exist on different year models and trims of the SW20:
1) Early SW20s with mechanical speedo sender and no cruise control (like my car originally).
2) Early SW20s with mechanical speedo sender and cruise control (I think there's an extra thing on the side of the mechanical sender which generates an electronic signal that is only used by the cruise control system).
3) Later SW20s with fully electronic speedo sender and gauge. 
 
My car is a 1990 JDM SW20 Turbo without cruise control. Originally (prior to the conversion) it had a mechanical speedo sender in the gearbox with a rotating cable from the gearbox to the back of the dash cluster, and the cable-driven speedo gauge generated electronic pulses from the rotating cable and sent the pulses from the dash back to the ECU via a single purple/white wire. Please note that the conversion may require different steps for early SW20s with a cable-driven speedo AND cruise control, but I don't know as I don't have cruise control on my car. 
 
When converting from a mechanical speedo to an electronic speedo, the normal approach is to swap out the entire dash cluster and change/re-pin the plugs to suit. This is definitely the best approach if you haven't done too much work to your original dash cluster already. In my case I had already done a lot of work to my dash cluster so I decided to take a different approach. 
 
What I chose to do instead was to remove the cable-driven speedo gauge from the existing dash cluster and then modify the cluster itself so the electronic speedo gauge could fit into it. I think I'm the first person to ever attempt this. I had to carefully trim away a number of small areas of the white plastic housing behind the dash cluster, because the circuit board on the back of the electronic speedo interfered with it. Also, the mounting holes for the electronic speedo are in different positions compared to the cable-driven speedo so I had to drill some new holes. I had to cut and re-route some of the 'tracks' on the green overlay on the back of the dash cluster because they overlapped the new mounting holes for the electronic speedo (you can use a razor to scratch away the green coating and expose the copper track underneath, then you can solder a wire to it). The electronic speedo has 4 mounting holes which also act as electrical connections. 
I did some research and bench testing to confirm that the 4 mounting holes on the electronic speedo gauge needed to be connected as follows (when looking at the speedo gauge from behind):
- Top Left = Speed signal from electronic sender in gearbox (I connected this to the track that goes to the purple/white wire back to the ECU)
- Bottom Left = Ignition-switched 12V
- Top Right = Unused
- Bottom Right = Earth
I used ring terminals on wires which I soldered to the relevant tracks on the back of the dash cluster, then I fastened the mounting screws through the ring terminals to form the electrical connections. 
 
The sender in the gearbox was a straight swap from the mechanical type to the electronic type. I ran the 3 wires from the electronic speedo sender into the boot so I could easily connect them to the ECU wiring loom. For the signal wire from the electronic speedo sender, I simply tee'd it off the purple/white wire near the ECU (the same wire which already goes to the dash cluster). There's no need to run a new wire from the back of the car up to the dash cluster, because the purple/white wire is already there! The end result is that the electronic speedo sender in the gearbox now generates pulses on the purple/white wire, which is connected to both the ECU and the dash cluster. 
 
I used the 'DigiHUD' Android app to confirm that the speedo gauge itself is showing the correct speed. 
I can also confirm that the electronic speedo sender in the gearbox generates pulses at exactly the same rate as the original cable-driven speedo gauge in the dash cluster. I know this because my Adaptronic ECU still reads the correct speed without changing the calibration.
 
Here's a photo of the back of the dash cluster after the conversion. Please ignore the dodgily-sized ring terminals on the wires (they were the only ring terminals I had in my garage, and they already had wires attached to them, so I'll be redoing them later).
As you can see, the circuit board for the electronic speedo is visible through the rectangular hole where the mechanical speedo normally pokes out for the cable to attach to it.

post edited by robk - 2016/12/10 12:56:37

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RE: robk's MR2 Turbo 2016/08/09 09:37:06 (permalink)
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My speedo has now been successfully converted from cable-driven (AKA mechanical) to electronic. Here's a bit of an explanation of how I did it. 
 
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I used the 'DigiHUD' Android app to confirm that the speedo gauge itself is showing the correct speed. 






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RE: robk's MR2 Turbo 2016/08/09 09:53:41 (permalink)
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 What can I say. I'm a robot. 

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RE: robk's MR2 Turbo 2016/08/09 10:44:27 (permalink)
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Not married and no kids! Ah that how you have time do it.

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RE: robk's MR2 Turbo 2016/08/09 10:58:50 (permalink)
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Not married and no kids! Ah that how you have time do it.

I can't deny that!

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RE: robk's MR2 Turbo 2016/08/09 13:38:05 (permalink)
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ooooooooo did u cut up that genuine trd/toms dash cluster....I think I might cry if u did

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RE: robk's MR2 Turbo 2016/08/09 13:54:26 (permalink)
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ooooooooo did u cut up that genuine trd/toms dash cluster....I think I might cry if u did



No, it's still in the same good condition in which you sold it to me, so don't worry. The cutting was performed on my original dash. 
However, I did remove the TRD 300km/h electronic speedo gauge from the Toms dash and installed it into my original dash, so the Toms dash is now missing a speedo gauge. 

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RE: robk's MR2 Turbo 2016/08/19 16:49:20 (permalink)
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im installing a haltech iq3 dash and i have the same mechanical sensor, but trying to use the converted pulses to input into the iq3 dash, hopefully this works, if not i will have to convert the sensor to a electronic type like this.
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RE: robk's MR2 Turbo 2016/08/19 17:51:00 (permalink)
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Great info. I have an electronic speedo conversion to do :) better insight now.
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RE: robk's MR2 Turbo 2016/08/19 18:52:49 (permalink)
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im installing a haltech iq3 dash and i have the same mechanical sensor, but trying to use the converted pulses to input into the iq3 dash, hopefully this works, if not i will have to convert the sensor to a electronic type like this.


As I mentioned in the last paragraph of my post above, the electronic speedo sender in the gearbox of later SW20s generates pulses at exactly the same rate as the cable-driven speedo gauge in the dash cluster of early SW20s. So it shouldn't make a difference. The electronic sender in the gearbox does generate a cleaner signal, but that's the only difference, and they're both square waves.
If you have a mechanical sender and speedo, then I think you should be able to just use the purple/white wire which goes from the dash back to the ECU.

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RE: robk's MR2 Turbo 2016/09/10 15:13:04 (permalink)
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I have a small update about my A2W intercooler system.
 
Last time I checked the water level I noticed that it had dropped, but there were no leaks so I knew that there had to be air stuck somewhere in the system. I decided to add an air bleeding point at the front of the car where there's another high point in the system and there would've been air bubbles collecting there.
 
Plazmaman made this little thing for me in 10 minutes. I added it in series with one of the water hoses at the highest point at the front of the car.

 
As it turned out, I was able to put it in a spot where it's very easy to access by simply removing the plastic surround from the front of one of the pop-up headlights.

 
When required, I can just pull the little hose out like this and remove the AN-4 cap to allow the air to bleed out properly. I can temporarily add a clear tube in the same way as I described back when I installed the PWR radiator for the main engine cooling system.

 
I also got this little AN-4 fitting welded on to the top of my intercooler core. Previously MRC had drilled and tapped a hole there and sealed it with a bolt and crush washer, which was fine for a few years because I never had to remove it. However, recently I had to remove the bolt a few times and the thread started to strip and a slow leak developed there.

 
The little black cap has an optional O-ring inside it for good sealing.

 
Note that the filler neck on the side of the intercooler core isn't at the highest point, which is why MRC originally added that extra bleeding point at the very highest point in the system.
 
In order for me to get that little fitting welded onto the intercooler core, I had to totally remove it from the engine bay for the first time ever. I took the opportunity to relocate the flex fuel sensor because it was previously hidden and completely inaccessible on the firewall in front of the intercooler core.
 
Oh, and I also got a new windscreen from O'Brien glass a few weeks ago. The 26-year-old original windscreen had heaps of ugly little stone chips and a frustrating amount of smearing on the inside. It's so nice to be able to see clearly out the windscreen again, especially when driving directly towards the sun! lol

There is an extensive build thread for my car here: http://www.mr2australia.com/mr2play/tm.aspx?m=18316
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RE: robk's MR2 Turbo 2016/09/10 17:26:05 (permalink)
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Nice work Rob! Love all the little improvements, just when you thought it couldn't get better :)

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RE: robk's MR2 Turbo 2016/09/10 19:26:38 (permalink)
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good work Rob, you and plazmaman have a good relationship going, its great to have a fabricator to rely on.
 
how much was the windscreen roughly?
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