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RE: robk's MR2 Turbo
2010/10/22 14:45:35
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omg. SO MUCH WIN. ARGHHH ITS SO NEAT! *jizz*
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RE: robk's MR2 Turbo
2010/10/22 16:41:19
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Rob, ignore everyones 'advice' on running in - listen to your mech and do your own research. Last thing that you (and I really) want is to get into a running in argument in an otherwise awesome thread.
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RE: robk's MR2 Turbo
2010/10/22 17:09:29
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quote: Originally posted by Bionikal
listen to your mech
This is the BEST advice, research will get you nowhere. Only the engine builder knows how it was built, and therefore the best running in procedure. Clearances and materials will dictate this.
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RE: robk's MR2 Turbo
2010/10/22 18:20:09
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^ not exactly. But the point is the same.
Best reason to listen to your mech - if it eff's up, you can go back and say you followed his advice exactly :)
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RE: robk's MR2 Turbo
2010/10/22 23:22:49
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quote: Originally posted by kameleon
Run it in on the dyno;)
+1 It is the best place to do the initial part of the run in proceedure (ie. bed in the rings) as you can control load, speed, etc without any need for prolonged idling periods (ie. getting stuck at traffic lights.)
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RE: robk's MR2 Turbo
2010/10/23 00:42:47
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First thing i would do is fill the engine with oil not through the top cap but through one of the grub screwa near the oil filter. You fill a pot with a pressure gauge abd apply compressed air to it that way the oil will go through ALL the oil galleriesand wont be dry. Then before you start obviously check every sensor. Dont know what ECU you have but with a MoTec its easy. That is every sensor, injector , pump etc etc. Then take the spark plugs off and injectors if you can . Crank until your oil pressure light goes off. If you take your spark plugs out there will be no pressure on easier on your battery.. At this stage you need to check the tining is about right, hopefully the tining belt was put on correctly with first piston TDC and the marks on the belt.
Once all ok then start and then only. Dyno is great in so far run low rpm high gear with as much throttle as possible. Bed in the rings. Constant rpm not up and down for the bedding. If you mother it in the first few minutes the damage or should i say the full potential of the engine will just not be right.. Most manufactures just fang the engine. Bedding occures in the first few minutes. BTW if you can just run it on the dyno for as long as money permites, but after 5 minutes do check your water level just in case there are air pockets. One thing for sure hope your tunner has a base map to start or he will frantically be adjusting the settings.
Thing is we think too much about start up because of the love passion and dollars put in and we want the best possible senario. But what would you do if you bought a new car ? The run in procedure on new cars say do not labor the engine. What a lot of beloni !
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RE: robk's MR2 Turbo
2010/10/23 02:39:37
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No offence Mandalay. But this is nothing more than your opinion on a complex procedure. One that I and many others disagree with.
You're build thread is cool and all, but I said this when I bought it up.. this isn't the place to debate run in procedures.
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RE: robk's MR2 Turbo
2010/10/23 10:43:08
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Thanks Mark for trying to prevent an extended argument in this thread, I don't want that either! Having said that, I really do appreciate Mandalay's advice, especially because he covered the initial maintenance side of things too. Of course, his opinion is just one more among many on the internet, so my mech's opinion will win. From what I've read, the first 20km or so, which can occur on a dyno, are crucial...the engine needs to be pushed hard enough to force the rings outwards and utilise the honed cross-hatching on the cylinder walls to bed in the rings, before the cross-hatching has time to fully wear away smooth. This is made difficult by the fact that my car has never been run in this condition with my Adaptronic ECU lol.
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RE: robk's MR2 Turbo
2010/10/24 15:50:59
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Yes i agree Bionikal. I did leave it to the tuner and his procedure was verified with my builder. I guess i trust them given they play with Million dollar cars
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RE: robk's MR2 Turbo
2010/10/24 20:51:28
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best way to run it in.. thrash the sh#t out of it haha who wants a slug motor anyway
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RE: robk's MR2 Turbo
2010/10/25 10:21:30
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A lot of people run their engines in on the dyno. Lots of manufactures throw there engines onto a engine dyno to test performance...
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RE: robk's MR2 Turbo
2010/10/25 13:26:26
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I know a guy that builds 600+hp motors.. and first thing he does is rev the tits off it lol.. said if it doesn't handle now.. it'll never handle.. i like his philosophy :P
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RE: robk's MR2 Turbo
2010/10/25 15:12:24
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Robk nailed it on the head - "..the engine needs to be pushed hard enough to force the rings outwards and utilise the honed cross-hatching on the cylinder walls to bed in the rings, before the cross-hatching has time to fully wear away smooth."
..this is not achieved by low load/throttle/RPM conditions.
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RE: robk's MR2 Turbo
2010/10/25 15:23:02
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Light those tyres up rob haha
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RE: robk's MR2 Turbo
2010/10/25 16:18:30
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Go read the running in thread. How many bloody times does it need to be said - this thread isn't for running in debates.
@MRTurbo - sorry pal but you're wrong, go read the correct thread for reasons why.
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