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2019/02/27 00:58:01 (permalink)
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Turbo'ing my 3SGE, rebuilding engine for it.

Hey guys, I've had my 1994 Bathurst Mr2 for about 6 months and I really really love the car but I do want to increase the power. I originally had a look for a 3S-GTE swap, but where I live (WA) I'm looking at like 5k (BEFORE shipping) just for an engine, without any of the other parts like ECU/manifold. 

So I've decided I could either do a 1mz swap or turbo my 3SGE. I'm a bit educated about it over some of the other people and I understand it's a high compression engine compared to the 3SGTE. These are the parts I'm looking at getting to support it, I plan to rebuild my engine before it to ensure longevity and also power. The 1mz although sounding amazing, will need so mods to reach a HP that I'm happy with. If I turbo it, and run 7-10psi (less if others recommend against it.) then I'd be quite happy with that and I'm somewhat obsessed with 0-100s (It's dumb, I know)

So.
3SGTE Forged Pistons (or forged lower comp pistons)
3SGTE Forged Con Rods
3SGTE Injectors
Walbro 255 Pump
Standalone ECU
Turbo + Manifold
Turbo timer
Boost controller
Cold Spark Plugs
 
Edit: And Intercooler 
 
So what problems will I encounter doing this? I've heard getting to the oil to the turbo is a problem, I'm also unsure about how large my injectors should be and how much PSI I should be looking at running. I'm getting 3SGTE internals, so I feel like I could run a bit higher PSI (maybe even stock 3SGTE amounts.)  Also do I need to run 3SGTE cams?
 
Any advice or input is amazing, also if anyone could send me a 3SGTE for cheaper then sure I'd happily change my mind but this seems like the best option.
post edited by BensMr2 - 2019/02/27 01:45:09
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    Re: Turbo'ing my 3SGE, rebuilding engine for it. 2019/02/27 06:39:40 (permalink)
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    Have you considered a 2gr?
     

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    Re: Turbo'ing my 3SGE, rebuilding engine for it. 2019/02/27 11:09:29 (permalink)
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    It would be cheaper to buy a Caldina use the motor and wreck the rest of it. I have built a few 3sgte now. 
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    Re: Turbo'ing my 3SGE, rebuilding engine for it. 2019/02/27 13:22:00 (permalink)
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    Your direct questions - boost will vary on your build / injectors / other factors and will be decided on a dyno tune. You can run 3sgte or 3sge or aftermarket camshafts, this will vary where and how much hp you make.

    Speak with wtf auto as to local advice/specialist.

    Depends on your driving / performance requirements. Mr2 is a personal choice. Options options

    3sgte build. Requires so many components and costs not listed, clutch, dyno time - too many to list before even the nice to have like e153 gearbox etc. I have reservations at your cost vs outcome. You would be best finding a smashed mr2 turbo to put everything across, or caldina (gen4 swap, injectors, ecu, plug and play almost).

    Realistically if you want 3sgte sell your mr2 and buy a turbo car for your turbo fun, there are many differences in brake components, options. Turbo cars are for sale, freight to wa from east coast around $1500.

    2gr - 2grfe - $12-$15k for amazing drivability and low rpm power (will out perform 3s build spec). Use your car for the transplant. If you destroy the engine they are cheap off the shelf.

    K20 swap. K20a engine / donour car with ecu etc, conversion kit from Hux Racing. Little more voodoo to K20a swap. If you destroy the engine they are cheap off the shelf.

    5sgte. 5sfe block, 3s head. Stroker pistons, head gasket, aftermarket ecu etc is similar costs to your proposed 3sgte build path / costs. 5s blocks can be found for a couple hundred and is about the only additional to your 3s build path. More drivability, more potential. This will likely be more expensive than options above, depending on build spec, however potential depending on turbo selection.
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    Re: Turbo'ing my 3SGE, rebuilding engine for it. 2019/02/27 19:46:10 (permalink)
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    Thanks for your input, I didn't realise that the Caldina had a 3SGTE. I'll try find one of those, I guess it's going to cost an absolute crap ton to do it that won't end up with lots of failing or incompatible parts.

    I know people don't particularly like K swaps but how are they cost comparatively? 

    I should just save up a bit more for a 2gr swap, seems like really the best option. Guess I'll be more patient unless I can get a cheap Caldina.
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    Re: Turbo'ing my 3SGE, rebuilding engine for it. 2019/02/27 20:34:54 (permalink)
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    Budget $10-$15k for whichever way you go in engine swap where that you can drive it with confidence (service items done). You can do it cheaper and often you will need to spend more.

    2gr/2grfe = v6 meaning great torque (feels fast and can tow a boat) and 300rwhp.
    Kswap will produce (hp) for what you spend from n/a 200hp to turbo at 800rwhp. Great option that will be cheaper than a 2gr, but you can build on it over the years to have more performance/hp than 2gr. There is no “cheap” big hp reliable solution, it costs to play.
    Caldina provides modern technology, simple bolt ons and will see 300rwhp with the fun of turbo.
    My personal choice is 5sgte, staying with a Toyota engine, ease of build, ability for gentle performance in low rpm and then boosted performance in mid - high rpm, flexibility in hp (how fast it works) by changing a couple of components that will yield 250-600rwhp.

    Or sell yours and buy something where it has the engine you prefer.

    Get to some club meets to see other cars with what you are thinking, get to wtf to talk through what you are thinking and what their advice is (and local costs).
    post edited by TonyMR2 - 2019/02/27 20:41:23
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    Re: Turbo'ing my 3SGE, rebuilding engine for it. 2019/02/28 01:28:30 (permalink)
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    Thanks so much for the response TonyMR2, that sums it up for me. I'll think I'll save that little bit more for that 2GR swap purely because after doing some research, they are fast and N/A usually means reliable.

    I really appreciate all the assistance, even though people have probably said it one hundred thousand times. Thankyou very much
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    Re: Turbo'ing my 3SGE, rebuilding engine for it. 2019/02/28 17:07:30 (permalink)
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    Dont like k-swaps, thinking of substituting my 5sgte with a k24 😁
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    Re: Turbo'ing my 3SGE, rebuilding engine for it. 2019/02/28 20:39:42 (permalink)
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    I love kswaps... if you ask any mr2 enthusiast who has the fastest motor the most torque the most hp its a kswap, all you do is take the factory motor out of a family honda vehicle for $500 at a local wreckers, the engine in the family honda makes 200hp but bolt it into a mr2 - bam a 500hp motor because its in a mr2, and the really exciting thing is if you put a few thousand into some overnight parts and bolt them in your garage using your trusty 10mm spanner you will have a 800hp daily driver mr2.... good night all :) back to dreaming stories of k20 
     
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