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Re: New Membership Payments Scheme for 2016 2016/08/17 13:39:38 (permalink)
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So if there's no fee, where do the required funds come from?
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Re: New Membership Payments Scheme for 2016 2016/08/17 14:21:14 (permalink)
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No Late fee 5SGTE

Membership is still $20

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Re: New Membership Payments Scheme for 2016 2016/08/17 15:34:46 (permalink)
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Oh sorry, misunderstood, thought you meant club fee. Oops
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Re: New Membership Payments Scheme for 2016 2016/08/17 20:14:02 (permalink)
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Eric,
What you have proposed is plausible, sensible and the way forward.
I support it fully. 
Bits of paper, membership lists and receipt books can be misplaced (as some of us would be aware). Further it means more work for the Treasurer.
A couple of alternatives have been offered. if a member doesn't want to or can't do an EFT deposit, you can visit a BOQ branch and make a deposit into the Club's Account, the Bank issues you a receipt and the Treasurer is alerted to your membership renewal by BOQ.
This is the 21st century everyone. Participate.
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Re: New Membership Payments Scheme for 2016 2016/08/18 07:07:10 (permalink)
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So what does $20 buy you these days... Three cups of coffee.... A DVD... What tangibles does membership provide for a member and for the club....
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Re: New Membership Payments Scheme for 2016 2016/08/18 08:24:06 (permalink)
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If we are paying the membership fee to protect event organisers from litagation in the event of an accident my question is.
A new member wants to join after the cut off date, they are not required to pay anything until the next payment "window" opens.
If they were to be involved in an accident at a club event they would not be a paid up member and therefore not a club member as they have not paid the membership fee. Therefore able to sue,
I feel new members should be required to pay a pro rata fee the day they join. Surely this would not be too difficult to administer, how many new members does the club get a year?
If you are not a paid up member you should not be allowed to attend a club event.
Looking forward to the discussions at the AGM.
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Re: New Membership Payments Scheme for 2016 2016/08/18 08:58:58 (permalink)
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So what does $20 buy you these days... Three cups of coffee.... A DVD... What tangibles does membership provide for a member and for the club....



dodgee
If we are paying the membership fee to protect event organisers from litagation in the event of an accident my question is.
A new member wants to join after the cut off date, they are not required to pay anything until the next payment "window" opens.
If they were to be involved in an accident at a club event they would not be a paid up member and therefore not a club member as they have not paid the membership fee. Therefore able to sue,
I feel new members should be required to pay a pro rata fee the day they join. Surely this would not be too difficult to administer, how many new members does the club get a year?
If you are not a paid up member you should not be allowed to attend a club event.
Looking forward to the discussions at the AGM.
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I think the above points are things we need to talk about at the AGM. We need to outline what benefits that being a club member actually entails, and I want all our current members to have their say.
 
Yes we don't get many new members so this is something to consider.

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Re: New Membership Payments Scheme for 2016 2016/08/18 09:21:01 (permalink)
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Queensland Chapter appoints new membership fees collections officer. Solves all problems for Eric.
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Re: New Membership Payments Scheme for 2016 2016/08/18 10:39:35 (permalink)
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That guy's all talk, really a big softy.

I think the topic is clearly much bigger than simply fees so Eric, your timing is impeccable... will be good banter on the weekend. Can't see it being too difficult at the end of the day it's all about the passion we share.
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Re: New Membership Payments Scheme for 2016 2016/08/20 11:36:02 (permalink)
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Having read everyone's comments I thought it would be a good idea to clarify a few points for people before the AGM so we don't spend too much time going over old ground.
 
1. The Club in Queensland is an Incorporated Association under the "Associations Incorporation Act 1981" and the "Association Incorporation Regulations 1999", and has been for over four years.
 
2. What this means simply is that our Club is a legally separate body. It has the same powers, benefits and responsibilities as a person. These include:
  • owning land
  • signing a lease
  • appearing in court.
3. An incorporated association is legally separate from its members. This means that:
  • the committee makes decisions
  • the association becomes legally liable for these decisions
  • individuals on the committee aren’t personally liable (as long as they acted in good faith).
This was not the case when the so-called old "Club" operated prior to incorporation and just transacted its business solely via this Forum without any Club Rules. 
 
Any person prior to incorporation who claimed a position on the "Club" Committee, organised a Run, or any other activity was personally liable for the outcome, including if anything happened like an accident. This personal liability hasn't ceased just because the Club was incorporated, and so to quote an old legal adage anyone who says that they did things better in the "good old days" should maybe put their house ownership in their wife's name.
 
For those who follow local news it was and is effectively the same situation as these two people in Queensland who are suing the organiser of a birthday party for not organising safety issues properly where accelerant was thrown on the fire. The amounts involved in this law suit now total 12 million dollars (that's right, 12 million dollars!!).
 
Think what this would possibly mean to you if you had organised an MR2 event without the protection of the incorporation legislation or you are still holding out the previous non-formal arrangements as a better way than how things are being managed now. Car accident (of course we don't have these on our Runs ), organiser gets sued personally, huge legal bills up front, bye-bye house, bye-bye car, hello bankruptcy, possibly gaol.
 
Three of the huge practical benefits incorporation has also given us are firstly the ability to run events like the Nationals last year, secondly to be able to certify older cars as fit for historical registration (we have one now and expect more), and thirdly have enough funds to be able to book venues like Queensland Raceway for MR2 events in advance before money is collected from members.
 
4. As an incorporated association our Club must:
  • comply with the Associations Incorporation Act 1981 and the Associations Incorporation Regulation 1999
  • review its financial affairs every year
  • lodge copies of your rules, annual returns and financial statements with us.
5. There are certain annual costs associated with running an Incorporated Association which are mandated by government and therefore fees have to be collected. The original aim was to keep the fees as low as possible - $20.00 per year - and the intention was to make the collection and banking as simple as possible.
 
6. Now that the Club has been incorporated for over four years I feel that it needs to go through a growth period and possibly make some changes, just as all worthwhile organisations should.
 
Eric's suggestions about moving to electronic fees collection is a great example of such changes and I for one fully support it. However, the best forum for the discussion on this and other issues is the AGM at which paid-up members of the Club can vote on the motion. I would strongly recommend that members come to the AGM and be prepared to have some robust conversations about issues if they want to see change happen.
 
If anyone wants to comment on the finer points of what has been stated here then before electrons are released the following website contains all the answers you may need.
https://www.qld.gov.au/law/laws-regulated-industries-and-accountability/queensland-laws-and-regulations/associations-charities-and-non-for-profits/incorporated-associations/set-up-an-incorporated-association/
 
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Re: New Membership Payments Scheme for 2016 2016/08/20 14:04:07 (permalink)
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Well said Walter
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Re: New Membership Payments Scheme for 2016 2016/08/20 19:07:29 (permalink)
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I agree that discussion on these proposals should occur at the AGM.  It is very easy to misinterpret a forum post - as appears to have happened here.  At no point did I disagree with adding electronic banking as an option, or even question the rationale of having a members subscription.  And thanks to those who pointed out this is the 21st century, at my age it is easy to forget.
 
What I did disagree with was the imposition of a late payment fee without member discussion, and the apparent removal of cash as a method of payment.
 
"and the Treasurer is alerted to your membership renewal by BOQ."
 
 I'm also a little unsure about the bank notifying the Treasurer that a particular member has paid their membership sub, but I am willing to accept that if the Bank can provide this service it will certainly ease the work load.

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Re: New Membership Payments Scheme for 2016 2016/08/20 19:41:27 (permalink)
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So leave your cash at home but bring your iPhone - that modern age....
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Re: New Membership Payments Scheme for 2016 2016/08/20 20:02:50 (permalink)
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Re: New Membership Payments Scheme for 2016 2016/08/21 00:04:57 (permalink)
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I prefer androids  myself. Too many worms in apples and you have to keep buying new ones when the old ones go mouldy and fall apart.  The fruit does the same thing. 
 
To put forward a possible simple scenario for discussion tomorrow we could have a $20.00 fee for 12 months payable by current and new members for example by  30 September each year (the final date on which this had to be paid by current members can be set by the Committee).
For the six months after the agreed date the amount for both renewing and new members remains $20,  then for new members only for the last 6 months of the Club FY it drops to $10. A renewing member (not a new member) always pays $20 no matter when they pay. The latter rule applies because it is expected that a past/renewing member knows what their financial obligations to the Club are and we can't afford discounts just because a member forgets to pay.  
There are some other tweaks to this method but these can be discussed at the AGM. 
 
Dennis is correct about this being a not for profit Club (all Incorporated Associations in QLD are) but a healthy financial position is needed if the Club is to survive there now being no new MR2's having been produced for over ten years, the limited numbers sold when they were new, the attrition rate through accidents and the like, and the numbers of road registrable cars falling more rapidly each year. 
 
Not wanting to sound exclusive but in the absence of Toyota reintroducing the MR2 name we could find that in a few years time MR2 ownership and membership of the Club are really something special. Four years ago QLD Transport reported in response to a request for information from the Club that there were 86 AW11's road registered in this state. Latest best information is that this has dropped by 11%. No wonder the prices seem to be going up. 
 
Walter 
 
 
 

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