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2016/05/03 19:51:43 (permalink)
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Engine not playing the game - intermittent cutout below 3000rpm

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Moved to Mt Isa last year and my MR2 was trucked up. Has sat in the shed since it got here waiting for things to settle down to get the turbo sorted. Planning a road trip next month that will see me head for the east coast from Mt Isa then follow the coast from Townsville down to the bottom of Australia and along the south coast into Melbourne. then home back up the guts. 7,000kms roughly and some of these K's will be in some pretty isolated areas!. 

So, got a GCG steel wheel turbo (just ct26) and took it to a local mechanic. he fitted the turbo up, everything looked good. sat it on the dyno and started giving it some runs and the engine would kind of cut power just a smidge under 3,000RPM and start bogging down.

So, found a small hose off and put it back on. it ran to pull some dyno runs. big disappointment in the dyno figures. it was ranging from 108 - 116Rwkw with boost hovering between 8lb and 10lb. 

I put a boost Tee in and gave it 2 clicks to pick the boost up slightly (as it was clearly over fueling something shocking) and it still only pulled the same figures the only difference being that it picked up faster than on stock boost. (Boost was eventually increased to 12.59lb before I backed it down a bit)

Decided to just drive it home and think about it. pulled out and drove down the road and bang the engine started doing the same thing cutting just before 3K. 

too it back gave it a look over. couldn't find anything. I told them not to worry about it i'll bring it back later in the week and throw it back on the dyno to check it out.

Then on the way home it drove nice. 

Does anyone have experience with this cutout?. a few things to note:

- Exhaust is currently a straight through single system - straight off the turbo to tip (for the track only use of course)
- Engine is 3,000kms old - Forged Pistons, H Beam rods, new crank, fully balanced, ARP head studs and bottom end studs etc. 
- Stock ECU for now and was meant to be running stock boost for run in period.
- The new turbo fitted is a slightly modified GCG rebuilt CT26.


I have the following thoughts to check this week:
- With battery terminals being taken off and on over the past few days - perhaps the MAF or something is stuffed?
- Timing - Not sure if the timing should be advanced etc?. unsure.
- Was thinking fuel pump or filter initially but then it plumes smoke out the arse and reaks of fuel. its over fueling.

I appreciate if anyone has any thoughts. I have more items to add to this build and was hoping to get at least some of it done before I do my 7,000km road trip in June. but I am not going to do anything further until I can get it running smoothly with the stock ECU etc and I know everything is spot on.

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    Treay81
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    Re: Engine not playing the game - intermittent cutout below 3000rpm 2016/05/03 20:11:09 (permalink)
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    One thing I forgot to mention. Engine has been running perfect leading up to this point. It is only after the turbo swap was done it has begun playing up. 

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    Re: Engine not playing the game - intermittent cutout below 3000rpm 2016/05/04 07:30:02 (permalink)
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    So many things it could be, try getting out the ecu fault codes, check compression and leak down, try replacing fuel filter first and dump your fuel from the drain hole and add new fuel, air filter, check for vacuum leak, clean the throttle body and check sensors (tps, maf)...
    Dyno should be giving you read outs of air/fuel ratio to know what's happening....
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    Re: Engine not playing the game - intermittent cutout below 3000rpm 2016/05/04 08:57:34 (permalink)
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    tried getting a code yesterday on the dyno but it was just giving me a steady flash. but the engine light was going out straight away.

    Took it for a run last night and it cut out again, checked for codes again and got 3 codes. I have a feeling this is going to be an expensive month for me!.

    CODE: 34 - Turbo Charging Pressure Signal Fault
    CODE: 43 - No starter signal to the ECU
    CODE: 52 - Knock Sensor Signal
     
    I'll go and check my ecu wiring and plug now (this hasnt been touched in a very long time but i'll check it anyway). See if I can find a reason its not getting a starter signal.

    I guess checking my fuses would be a good place to start also. 

    Knock sensor must be buggered?. so i'll order a new one from the big smoke and get it on its way. 

    If anyone has suggestions for these codes fire away. I'm all ears. 

    Cheers.
     
     

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    Re: Engine not playing the game - intermittent cutout below 3000rpm 2016/05/05 21:52:15 (permalink)
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    okay. Found a 7.5 AMP ECU fuse in the front fuse box that was blown. replaced it, made no difference. 

    removed the vac line off the inlet manifold and blocked it off - boost lasted a lot longer but it cut out again with the CEL back on.

    So, back to the drawing board.

    - Ordered a Turbosmart FCD (electronic version) this afternoon. hopefully it will be here next week. 
    - Will order a new Knock sensor (Toyota want $311.37 so will look elsewhere)
    - Potentially remove fuel pump and sock, might change it just in case
    - Then check wiring and search for any exposed wires or bad terminations. 

    Might end up going to a PNP ECU if all else fails. was planning to down the track anyways but just not yet since im only running it so mildy.
     
    This is becoming frustrating. so far away from anyone with in depth knowledge of these cars so it will be hit and miss for me.

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    Re: Engine not playing the game - intermittent cutout below 3000rpm 2016/05/06 07:52:34 (permalink)
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    Igniter or coil can cause these symptoms. Old cracked coil. Poor earth between igniter frame and chassis.
    Doesn't cost much to check those.   Might be an idea to have a close look at the wastegate and its actuator for correct installation as that was the start of all this fun.  Seems as though as it begins to make boost pressure it goes filthy rich and quits.  This is why I suspect the ignition may be weak and breaking down.
    The older ECUs are also prone to capacitor problems.
    You could install a fuel pressure gauge downstream of the filter if you are worried about the pump, filter or regulator.
    It must be interesting getting any help in Mount Isa.  Keep us informed on your findings.  Cheers.
     
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    Re: Engine not playing the game - intermittent cutout below 3000rpm 2016/05/06 17:08:31 (permalink)
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    Yep had cap failure with ign related symptoms, so good suggestion.
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    Re: Engine not playing the game - intermittent cutout below 3000rpm 2016/05/07 12:53:45 (permalink)
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    Okay.
     
    Cap, rotor button and leads are all new. Ignitor was replaced with a used unit when the engine was reinstalled after the rebuild. 

    However, given my location I'm keen to just order some new gear and then install & Test one item at a time and see how she rolls haha.



    As far as help in Mount Isa goes, its a scary time for me as this is my first time seeking professional help on my toys up here. so its a bit of an unknown. however there is no shortage of tough cars in town so I have picked one of the 2 performance style guys here. some of the rides that are local:
     
    - Ferrari 430
    - 2015 Nissan GTR
    - BA Falcon XR8 - Blown - 1,600hp
    - Ford Escort Panel Van - XR6 Turbo engine/trans - 9 inch rear
    - 2015 Camaro ZL1 whipple supercharger
    - 56 F100 - bright yellow fitted with tuned LS1
    - TIDY S8 RX7
    - mk 1 MR2 4AGZE fitted with CT26 turbo (which i only found out about the other night when he followed me home to scab a turbo off me.)
    - Twin turbo holden Monaro (VZ Style)
    - and a CRAP load of Aussie and American muscle car classics. 
     
    So hopefully, I can add a tidy tuned Red SW20 to the list above haha. 
     

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    Re: Engine not playing the game - intermittent cutout below 3000rpm 2016/05/07 17:20:12 (permalink)
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    okay. the saga continues I guess.
     
    Threw my old leads on (were running fine when i pulled them off the engine.) it still cuts out. 

    Found the Knock Sensor was loose and wobbling in the thread so have tightened it up. The knock sensor appears to be the ATS adaptor and chevy KS. so i may replace this with the stock unit just to rule it out. 

    Spark plugs all look great. its idling fine. today it let me get under boost and rev up through to 5K before it cut out again and flashed the CEL. 

    I've put it back in the shed on ramps. will get back under it and keep looking blankly at it swearing intermittently at it. (I find this helps...)

    - Oh and does anyone know what size the nuts are on the AFM?... 
     
    cheers.

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    Re: Engine not playing the game - intermittent cutout below 3000rpm 2016/05/07 17:47:29 (permalink)
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    +1 for checking the capacitors inside the ecu just to rule it out,they only have a 20 year lifespan,look for the brown ones with nichicon written on them and check both legs where they meet the circuit board.


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    Re: Engine not playing the game - intermittent cutout below 3000rpm 2016/05/07 18:19:33 (permalink)
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    Afm screw was approx 24mm in from edge of hole. The number on the side states 71. I took that as 17.1mm from reading on here. So ive backed it out to approx 17.1mm
     
    Ill take it for another run now. Hopefully it doesnt go BANG!!.
     
    when i get back if its still no dofferent ill remove ecu and have a look at the capacitors. Thanks heaps for those pics, i would have been like a 5 year old looking into a lego technics box with that kind of stuff.
     
    Does the backing off of the afm lean it out or richen it up?... chances it could blow up?.... 

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    Re: 2016/05/10 21:01:29 (permalink)
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    Okay. So have replace pretty much all vacuum hoses in engine bay, added clamps where there were none.

    Have cleaned off some earth points, opened the ecu for a look see, wound the afm screw in to 17.1mm (or there abouts). Checked plugs and leads, cap is new still, knock sensor now fitted in tight.

    Took carmfor a test run today and the cut now seems much more predictable. It is able to climb much higher, my guage only reads just under 10lbs but it cut out at just under 160kph under load on slight uphill. Turn car off and the cel clears and i can go drive it again. Doesnt cut out in town anymore just when hitting upper speeds under load.

    Going to install fcd next break and see if this eliminates problem altogether now that it is revving freely amd cutting out in a more predictable way.

    Any advice on air/fuel ratios for setting the fcd up would be great. I want to give this ,mechanic as much info as possible when setting fcd up on dyno. Cant afford another blown engine.

    Cheers

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    Re: 2016/05/10 22:19:55 (permalink)
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     just under 10lbs but it cut out at just under 60kph





     
    Fixed that for you
     
    That said, good to see your making gains.  Sounds like a combination of a lot of maintenance items.
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    Re: 2016/05/14 20:37:13 (permalink)
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    blocked off the vacuum hose from manifold to turbo pressure sensor. took it out and gave it 3 runs with each run increasing boost by 2 clicks on the boost Tee. couldn't get it to cut out so pretty stoked. 

    Will run her back on the dyno next week when i knock off work. But before i do i'll replace my plugs with a colder set, replace my fuel filter in case i've copped a bad tank of fuel (not uncommon up here!) and see how it performs.

    Hopefully this time round it has more power than a lousy 115rwkw. (depressing after a fresh rebuild!)

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    Re: 2016/05/23 18:10:52 (permalink)
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    Installed thermo fan in engine lid, still have the vacuum lines from inlet to boost pressure sensor blocked off. 
     
    Put the car back on the dyno this afternoon. fuelling was okay, between 10.53 up to 12.5 so, safe enough for my trip to  Melbourne Next month.



     
    My horsepower and torque has improved but only slightly. so it is now putting down 153RWKW and 350nm. So its about stock at present i guess. 
     
    Once i get back from my trip i'll look at new intercooler, fuel system, ignition and perhaps a Link G4 ECU. 

    at least for now its running nice enough to do the trip. 

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