syeap94
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RACER X Intercooler
Hi All, Wondering if this is a worthy upgrade to the typical greddy/ebay style SMIC. http://racerxfabrication.com/mr2-celica/intercooler/large-core-side-mount Have scoured the interwebs and found nothing on it so far. I guess with the price tag and availability of other SMIC, its unlikely someone will buy it...maybe those with more knowledge on the subject can chime in on whether theoretically it will make much of a difference over the other SMIC kits? Cheers
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Re: RACER X Intercooler
2016/04/08 18:56:12
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I have one sitting in my garage that I'm hoping to have on in the next month or so. A larger core will perform better, the key is airflow though and if it doesn't get enough then it will have issues. As you say there's not much on the internet about it so it is a bit of a gamble at this point, but I need something to support my new turbo so hopefully it pays off!
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Re: RACER X Intercooler
2016/04/08 18:58:28
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Did you buy it off their website? Total cost if you don't mind me asking, I might be tempted to head down that route too. Seems like a few things have to go (strut braces according to their website)? What size fan are you planning to use on it, standard 9" spal?
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Re: RACER X Intercooler
2016/04/08 19:23:18
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Yeh I got it from the website, total cost is hard to say though as I got Jeff to build me a few other things so that inflated the shipping costs substantially! A SPAL fan was included and yes I think it was 9" but its at the bottom of everything atm so I can't check right now. This is it installed along with everything else when they mocked it up before shipping. Yeh x brace won't work with it but you can still use a strut brace that goes straight across like cusco's!
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Re: RACER X Intercooler
2016/04/08 19:25:00
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What turbo are you planning to run with it?
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Re: RACER X Intercooler
2016/04/09 06:58:10
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Heat management for bigger boost is one of the most critical aspects (along with correct fuel delivery). The side mount is an upgrade from stock. The big improvement that needs to be done at the same time is the shroud and fan. The problem with side mount is heat soak from the engine bay. Heat shielding / fans is critical. Lots of builds are going boot mount cause of the massive difference in heat soak reduction by being in the boot. You can reduce heat soak with measures to stop radiating and air heat. Steve has gone for a big strong build so needs the bigger core (plus lots of heat shielding and water/meth if it was me with unlimited funds - lol). Admire the build Steve. How big is your build? How hard do you want to run the mr2 when it's above 20 degrees? I am still in build mode and reading all I can, have a high flow ct26, upgraded fuel, other little mods, aim is 18psi (what I was running before but do it with longevity) and have the racer x side intercooler with shroud and fan (prior to the one your looking at), and lots of heat shielding. Plan with the difference in costs of side intercooler is external intercooler water sprayer and depending on funds meth/water injection. Meth depending on funds :(
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Re: RACER X Intercooler
2016/04/09 14:16:48
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Re: RACER X Intercooler
2016/04/09 14:21:25
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Mighty car mods water spray is worth a look ;-) :-P
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Re: RACER X Intercooler
2016/04/09 14:28:01
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5SGTE Mighty car mods water spray is worth a look ;-) :-P
I think that was the first video of theirs I ever watched, great stuff haha!
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Re: RACER X Intercooler
2016/04/09 22:21:02
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I've just acquired a Trust SMIC etc so I'm interested in the topic. Noob question: How can you tell if your SMIC is heat soaked? Colin
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Re: RACER X Intercooler
2016/04/09 23:57:54
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Touch it with your hand or tongue .... Lol Seriously though.... You will feel a power loss ... Or maybe you won't however your engine goes boom zoom not so zoom bang bang silence all in the space of twenty seconds.... Best to be not guessing, get a dyne tune and they will let you know, and getting sensors/gauges if your running your car hard. Intercooler is one step, there are many more things needed. The turbo efficiency, along with limiting radiating and ambient air temleratures exposure is a third of the battle to making an efficient engine :)
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Re: RACER X Intercooler
2016/04/11 12:51:44
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Sorry all, notifications is bugged or something. I'm running a TD06 pushing 18psi, with plans to possibly go higher in the future. My concern is heat soak will be an issue (if it isn't already). I don't plan to go super crazy and very adamant on staying with SMIC. No way I'm willing to cut the trunk or have the money to pour out for a A2W system (which also means more maintenance too...) Just don't know whether it will be a worthy upgrade seeing as it will place the IC closer to the manifold. Might have to heat wrap the manifold then? @Steve_A and Tony - how much did you pay for shipping from Racer X? Their website seems all wonky quoting me 200+ USD just to ship their air intake box and nothing else. 760 USD for intake box + the intercooler in discussion. Surely this can't be right??? Edit: I live in WA where summer gets to 45 or more nowadays. Crazy stuff, just really worried about cooling when it gets this hot!
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Re: RACER X Intercooler
2016/04/11 14:35:03
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Looking at that Racer X intercooler setup pictured it doesn't look very good. The intake pipe is running right next to the dump pipe, so intercooler piping is going to get really, really hot. Even if you thermo wrap your intercooler pipe its still going to get extremely hot and not make any difference. Maybe if you don't have that huge Racer X intake manifold you can run a better route but I can tell you if your piping ends up like the one in the picture you will have problems if your car ever goes to the track. On the street the dump pipe and manifolds don't get too hot as you won't spend much time at wide open throttle. A few laps on the track and you will have issues. There is a lot I can write about this to explain it all as because I have been trying different things to reduce intake temps at the track but its too much to type. Basically just need to know a few things: Aluminium is an excellent conductor of heat so heat will spread through the pipe very fast and it will heat up very fast. It also cools down fast if you can cool it down but that close to the dump pipe which a the track will get above 600 degrees easily and with a few cm gap to your intercooler pipe, the intercooler pipe will start heating up to huge temps. Thermo wrapping the IC pipe will not help as it will just get hot through conducting heat anyway and the thermo wrap will trap the heat in it, stopping it from being able to cool fast.
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Re: RACER X Intercooler
2016/04/11 14:48:19
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track_mr2 Looking at that Racer X intercooler setup pictured it doesn't look very good. The intake pipe is running right next to the dump pipe, so intercooler piping is going to get really, really hot. Even if you thermo wrap your intercooler pipe its still going to get extremely hot and not make any difference.
How about a different setup that doesn't have the turbo and dump setup so high up? Such as the one on the Racer X website: Shouldn't be as bad as what you described then? Based on your experience; on a similar setup to this picture, a regular greddy/ebay common design SMIC vs the larger core Racer X one - do you think there will be a noticeable difference?
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Re: RACER X Intercooler
2016/04/11 15:33:38
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That 2nd picture looks awesome. Yeah that's a good setup aslong as the dump pipe doesn't get close intercooler pipe on the down section to the intercooler. Air to Air intercoolers can only get a charge down at a maximum to ambient air temperature, so it just depend how hot your intake air temp are off the current intercooler setup. Piping wise that is a good setup.
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