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2015/06/28 19:35:51 (permalink)
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Club/Track Sprint Day Tyres?

So I've been searching the web for ages now looking and researching which track day tyres to get. I'm currently running Federal RS-R's as my first set of track tyres and while they are very cheap (less then $160 each new) they only last a few laps before they over heat and go off. They also don't have anywhere near the grip of guys on R compounds so I'm looking to upgrade. They are fun to drive on before they go off but at the same time, not very grippy like R compounds. I'm running 18x9 rear wheels and 17x7.5 fronts currently. From what I've read and gathered, medium R compounds will be the go for club sprint days as the soft compounds will also go off after a few laps (faster but only last a  few laps). If anyone can confirm that it will be good, will the A050's in soft go off very quickly like 2-3 laps? I've basically purchased a second set of rims now, I'll keep the RS-R's just to use in the wet and for some fun. So the second set of rim's I got are 17x8 front and 17x9 rear. I was thinking of getting the Nitto NT01's does anyone have experience with these? My choice for these is because they cost around $1000 for a set or less and from what I read last heaps of heat cycles and don't fade out after a few laps. From what I read the A050's and Dunlop Direzza are really, really good (fast) in medium compounds but they are about $2000+ a set which is too expensive for me. :( So if anyone has some advice and experience would be great! Also if anyone know's how the NT01's compare against say a A050 in lap times would be great. I really don't want to make the wrong tyre choice again as I regret getting the RS-R's even if they were $650 a set, so would love to hear from people before I get the NT01's.
 
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    Re: Club/Track Sprint Day Tyres? 2015/06/28 19:46:10 (permalink)
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    A050's do go off after about 3 laps, and after 3-5 sessions, they start to lose grip. Also depending on the size, you might not be able to get them in medium compound.

    Personally i don't rate nittos at all.

    Dunlops are great, but are really really expensive.

    Have you considered hankooks? They are 90% as good as dunlops and advans, and are light years ahead of the nittos and the federals.

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    Re: Club/Track Sprint Day Tyres? 2015/06/28 19:54:49 (permalink)
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    I can get the A050's in Medium but just too much money. The sizes I was planning to run is 255/40/17 rear and 235/40/17 front. (Currently on 255/35/18 rear and 215/40/17 front) on the other rims.
    Why don't you like the Nitto's NT01's? What about them don't you like?
    Yeah I looked at the Hankook's I read both the Z221 and Z214 are really good but again they are about $1600 a set in my sizes/similar sizes (i.e 245/40/17). They were my next choice if the Nitto NT01's aren't any good. So what makes the Nitto NT01's bad?
     
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    Re: Club/Track Sprint Day Tyres? 2015/06/29 10:06:11 (permalink)
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    Interesting, I'm just about to get a set of NT01 only heard good things about them. The guys at the track are getting better times on them.
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    Re: Club/Track Sprint Day Tyres? 2015/06/29 10:12:40 (permalink)
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    Currently running Nitto neo gen as a street tyre and they work well on and off the track.
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    Re: Club/Track Sprint Day Tyres? 2015/06/29 11:21:06 (permalink)
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    When my car was running, I ran NT01. They are ok but not great. They are a lot slower than the A050, Hoosier A6.
    They just do not have a ton of grip. They do not meld with the road like the other tyres. The A050 or Dunlop are more expensive but a far better tyre. They completely destroy the NT01. 
    When they get up to operating temp they cannot handle being pushed for more than a few laps.
    At Winton I run 1.37-1.39 consistently but after five or six laps they would start to protest so I had to take a little out of lap times (est 1-2 seconds) for a few laps then get back into it. At Wakefield they would be at least three seconds slower than the Hoosier/Dunlop/ Yoko and not as consistent.  I had work out, five year old hoosier which were way quicker than these tyres.
     
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    Re: Club/Track Sprint Day Tyres? 2015/06/29 12:23:12 (permalink)
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    Awesome! exactly what I was looking for. So the NT01's are off my list then. Have you tried RE55's? Are they as good as the Dunlop, Yoko's? I heard the Hoosier can't do many heat cycles? Also how about the Hankooks?
     
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    Re: Club/Track Sprint Day Tyres? 2015/06/29 13:05:02 (permalink)
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    They still make re55's?? I though they were being discontinued for the re11s? We used to run the re55 over the a048 (before the a050 came out) good tyre, and did quite a lot of heat cycles. Not as good as the a050 or z221 hankook, but a lot better than nt01 and rsr.

    In high powered cars, the nt01 was destroyed, and in lower powered cars, we found the tyre had too soft a carcass, and it feels like it was squirming on the rim when pushed through corners.

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    Re: Club/Track Sprint Day Tyres? 2015/06/29 17:45:58 (permalink)
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    The RE11's have taken over from the RE55s and because of that there are some brand new ones floating around for a bit cheaper then normal. So about $1700 in reasonable sizes for a set.
    I was almost convinced to get a set of the NT01's but glad I asked here first. Almost every review online only say positive things about them but I saw much of the same for the Federal RSR's and was disappointed when I got them, though they are good for what they are, a non r compound and cheap. When I saw the NITTO's being an r compound and under a thousand dollars I was a bit worried because over the years with most things I've leant you get what you pay for. Cheap tyres are usually cheap for a reason....so I guess I will just have to hope for a second hand set of dunlops, advan's or bridgestones.
     
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    Re: Club/Track Sprint Day Tyres? 2015/08/26 19:41:12 (permalink)
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    Okay so I've got another question. I managed to get rear tyres second hand 255/40/17 in Dunlop D03G medium compounds, a set of 4 for $600 with heaps of tread left. Now I need to get some front tyre. Here are my options:
    Dunlop Star Spec Z2 (235/40/17) $290 each new
    Nitto NT01 (235/40/17) $200 each new
    Hankook Ventus TD Z221 (215/45/17) soft compound $200 each
     
    Ideally I would get some D03G for the front in 235/40/17 but they are $400 plus a tyres.....So out of the above what is my best option? I was being recommended the Star Spec 2 but from what I read everywhere on the interweb seems to say NT01's are faster??? I know the Ventus TD221 are the fastest tyre but is a 215 better then the others in 235? I've got 8inch wide fronts so a bit worried it won't handle well with them on.
     
     
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    Re: Club/Track Sprint Day Tyres? 2015/08/27 02:22:32 (permalink)
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    Nt01 will be much faster than the star specs. Nt01 are an R compound semi slick. Star specs are high performance street tyres. Stick to a proper R spec semi to keep it balanced with your Dunlops. Any will do. If nt01 are a good price then go with them. Keep with a medium compound to match the rear.
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    Re: Club/Track Sprint Day Tyres? 2015/08/27 07:41:08 (permalink)
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    Thanks for the reply. Yeah I was thinking the NT01's would be faster based on them being a R Compound vs the Star Spec UHP but I just wanted to confirm as guys here don't rate the NT01's very highly. A Dunlop super dealer was telling me to go the Star Spec 2 as he said they would match my rears but I was a little worried as you know, they could just want to make a sale as they knew I wasn't going to buy the D03G up front for $500 each.
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    Re: Club/Track Sprint Day Tyres? 2015/08/27 08:45:44 (permalink)
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    I run NT01's on the front with no issues. Value for money they are about the best IMO
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    Re: Club/Track Sprint Day Tyres? 2016/01/03 03:07:19 (permalink)
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    Yokohama A048's are a good tyre. I've run A050's, but they need to be used fairly regularly or they go bad.
    Currently running some Toyo Proxes R888's and they are a decent tyre also.
    The choice of tyre depends on what it's being used for.

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