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Caldina engine
Hi guys, I need second opinion on the above mentioned engine. Year 2003, roughly 100k on the clock. $2000 come complete. Is it worth buying? If it it, what do i need on top to fitted into my 1997 mr2? I know it's 4sp automatic transmission, n my N/A is a non lsd "E154". Computer...? Thank you for helping. Ed
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Re: Caldina engine
2015/06/08 15:36:50
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Does your vin/build plate specify e154 transmission? The more common na gearbox is the s54.
Theres lots youll need to fit to the mr2. An intercooler. Most of the ancillaries and brackets will swap from your 97 motor, incl water outlet neck.
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Re: Caldina engine
2015/06/08 18:01:48
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Thanks ace, so let say I buy the engine $2k, n how much would I have to put on top to fitted into my mr2? N yesbits s54 lol my mistake.
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Re: Caldina engine
2015/06/11 07:45:10
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if its 2003 is it the ST245 caldina 3SGTE?????? if so, its a huge task and your existing gearbox wont cope we have done lots of conversions
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Re: Caldina engine
2015/06/13 03:42:52
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Thank you for the info. Yes it is St 246, So I guess it's not worth buying it. Is there anyway cheaper n lest hassle to gain more kW on my mr2 without having going through engine conversation? Ta
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Re: Caldina engine
2015/06/13 07:24:54
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Any option to get "more" power out of an engine costs $$$. When it comes to engine swaps, and you are not giving it to someone who has done it before, be prepared with $$$$ and time for lots of things you may not be aware of. Google searches will bring up most of the common things to know. To do it properly, doing spanner works myself, I costed/estimate a $10k plus exercise when I looked into it (engine, all engine service items to do when engines out, gearbox, driveshafts, engine management, accessories, dyno tuning).
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Re: Caldina engine
2015/06/13 09:22:48
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http://www.primemr2.com/
This might help with rough costings (us though) and give you an idea of the parts needed.
Could be a good source for adapter looms etc.
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Re: Caldina engine
2015/06/13 12:32:22
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Thank you TonyMr2 n 5sgte, for the advice n opening up. So I guess, I only have 2 options, 1. reconciliation my current engine (276k) n get called "sound no go". 2. Buying a Gen 3 half cut n transferring everything over, that would be a more simple process. Reason I asked abt St246 cos I like 291kw @ stock, huge potential power gain down the track. Btw I am no racer or good behind the wheel bt no offence,I just wanna kick some euro cars...
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Re: Caldina engine
2015/06/13 12:43:54
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Re: Caldina engine
2015/06/13 12:46:45
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Sorry 191kw I should proof read lol...
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Re: Caldina engine
2015/06/13 16:11:32
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If you want a fast car, some considerations to how fast.... you want to be half a car length in front of a stock euro car from 0 - 80kms p/h or do you want to be faster than a modified euro car (BMW M3) or further in-front to attract the police.... You might want to think about how much the euro car that your competing with costs, then aim your conversion budget towards that. MR2 engine swaps have shown impressive with v6 conversions, running on lower octane fuel, lighter engine. You want to be quicker than most cars then a 2Ltr modified K20 swap.
If your heart is set on wanting turbo fun but keeping your shell do your sums as it might be worth buying a turbo mr2. Engine opinion, Gen 3 half cuts are usually more than a Gen 2 turbo half cut or smashed car (big thing to look for is lsd with the gearbox, the necessary driveshafts). If you get a gen 2 and mods (220rwkw), its turning out more power than a stock gen 3 at a similar cost. If your going for a conversion, dont forget to upgrade your brakes and other aspects of the car. Wish you well
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Re: Caldina engine
2015/06/14 05:12:37
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First thank you for your thorough layout opinion. Atm am kind of attracting police with the exhaust came with the car from previous owner, kinda loud. Bt sounds good. I have considered v6 bt afraid it may affect the power steering n cruise control. N k20 or 24 they are not toyota. I was thinking of getting gen 3 half cut cos it has everything I need for a conversion. N maybe rebuild the engine before I install. Bt I don't know the advantage or different btw gen2 n 3 plus am not mechanical oriented. Anyway much appreciate of Ur opinions. Ta Edward
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Re: Caldina engine
2015/06/14 09:33:51
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My understanding....
The short version....
gen2- dumb Air Flow Meter, small 440cc side feed injectors, no oil catch can, crappy graphite head gasket, low psi fuel cut, egr system, 200hp gen3- smart MAP sensor, bigger 540cc injectors, oil catch can, MLS head gasket, higher psi fuel cut, better cams/turbo/intake mani/tb, 245hp gen4- 570cc top feed injectors, COP ignition, cam/crank sensor, integrated turbo, higher compression, bigger tb&side feed intake mani, 260hp
The long version Courtesy of user DavidV (David Vespremi) - MAP sensor instead of AFM - Bosch D-Jetronic (Gen III) vs. L-Jetronic (relatively primitive) engine management - CT20b turbo replaces CT26 - Boost raised from 10psi to 13psi - Fuel cut raised from 12 psi to 18 psi - Different ECU - 4 wire O2 sensor - Shim under bucket valve shims - slightly more aggressive cams - Revised internals (pistons, con-rods etc.) - Revised cylinder head cooling passages/water jackets - Revised intake manifold (8 'independent long ports' reduced to 4) - intake manifold inlet air temperature sensor added. i.e. after turbo and intercooler. - Revised gearbox with close ratio gearing - lower compression ratio - stainless steel head gasket - factory 540cc injectors replace 430cc injectors - revised fuel rail with bigger bore and relocated pressure regulator - TVIS eliminated - EGR eliminated - LSD in 80% of them - throttle body increased from 55mm to 60mm - inlet valve lift increased from 8.2 to 8.7 - intake manifold inlet air temperature sensor added - Less restrictive exhaust elbow - Aluminum oil pan - more rigid alloy sump and additional oil baffles - Factory Catch can - Better Oil Cooler and relocated oil filter (bottom) - 4 Channel ABS coupled with Traction Control available - No. 1 compression ring described as 'stainless steel' instead of just 'steel'. Oil ring is described as 'stainless steel' instead of 'a combination of steel and stainless steel'.
Basically a lot of difference. Easy way to tell the engine gen is if the oil filter is under the engine / sump area (gen 3) or oil filter next to exhaust manifold.
Lots of people choose the gen 2 to modify. New gaskets, piping and service items $1500. New fuel pump $250, fuel rail $200, fuel pressure regulator $250, 800cc injectors or larger $1000, new ECU $2000, new cams and cam gears and valves and head work $3000, new intake manifold $1500, new intercooler or w2a $350-$1500, new turbo $2000, new exhaust manifold $1500, big brake upgrade $2000, plus many other bits depending on build preferences to lightening components or increasing to 2.2ltr for earlier boost in the rev range... Your now a gen 2 with around 400hp - 500hp. Doing all the same mods to a gen 3 engine will equate to about the same outcomes in hp.
Hope that helps
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Re: Caldina engine
2015/06/14 09:38:47
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Just get a revision 3 3sgte engine ,less hassles easy to install. l know of a good one available if interested (melb) Cheers Charlie.0411288027
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Re: Caldina engine
2015/06/14 13:17:23
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Also keep in mind that if you wish to do an engine conversion and have it engineered in NSW, the new engine must at least be the same age as the car (or newer) I think you would get away with a Gen 3 as they were fitted from 1994 - 1999 in the SW20. (Gen 2 1989 - 1993) Unless you are emotionally attached to your current N/A just sell it and buy a car with the engine you want already fitted.
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