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2015/05/04 21:06:41 (permalink)
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Waste Gate Control?

What is the best way for an Mr2? Plum it to the intake chamber or from the turbo? Current setup is from the intake chamber at the monument. I am thinking of plumbing it to the turbo again, I think this will give the turbo less stress and better throttle control. Also should stop any boost spikes.
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    Re: Waste Gate Control? 2015/05/04 21:16:00 (permalink)
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    Your question makes no sense.
     
    If you are referring to boost control via the wastegate, then your best bet is using a big single/twin wastegate setup to control the excess gas (assuming the exhaust flows well)  3SGTE engines are known for nasty boost creep as the RPMs rise with free flowing exhausts
     
    If you are referring to the air bypass valve, then plumbing it back into the intake BEFORE the turbo is the way it was intended from factory.  If your turbocharger has an anti-surge front cover, then its not so much of an issue.  There are enough myths about people not using a bypass valve at all, but they're the ones destroying turbines...

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    Re: Waste Gate Control? 2015/05/04 22:41:56 (permalink)
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    EssDub
    Your question makes no sense.
     
    If you are referring to boost control via the wastegate, then your best bet is using a big single/twin wastegate setup to control the excess gas (assuming the exhaust flows well)  3SGTE engines are known for nasty boost creep as the RPMs rise with free flowing exhausts
     
    If you are referring to the air bypass valve, then plumbing it back into the intake BEFORE the turbo is the way it was intended from factory.  If your turbocharger has an anti-surge front cover, then its not so much of an issue.  There are enough myths about people not using a bypass valve at all, but they're the ones destroying turbines...


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    Re: Waste Gate Control? 2015/05/04 23:53:58 (permalink)
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    I know whats been done to it.
     
    I still don't understand your original question.  Can you please reword it so that it makes sense?  I've offered two common issues found in these cars and the ways around them.  If one of them relates to your issue, then good :)

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    Re: Waste Gate Control? 2015/05/05 00:01:59 (permalink)
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    Also.... probably not the best area for this topic. probably should go here....
    http://www.mr2australia.com/mr2play/tt.aspx?forumid=9

    It might not stop boost spikes... but plumbing it from the turbo (provided it actually has a spot to plumb it!) might be the way to go. I don't have anything to back it up, but that's how it is from the factory anyway. 

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    Re: Waste Gate Control? 2015/05/05 10:24:03 (permalink)
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    zmit
    Also.... probably not the best area for this topic. probably should go here....
    http://www.mr2australia.com/mr2play/tt.aspx?forumid=9

    It might not stop boost spikes... but plumbing it from the turbo (provided it actually has a spot to plumb it!) might be the way to go. I don't have anything to back it up, but that's how it is from the factory anyway. 


    Was an error, tried to delete it and put in a difference spot.
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    Re: Waste Gate Control? 2015/05/05 10:26:15 (permalink)
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    Have to make a nipple on the pipe coming out off the turbo for the waste-gate.
     
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    Re: Waste Gate Control? 2015/05/05 11:31:29 (permalink)
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    Are you only using the ex-wastegates spring for boost control?
     
    If you use an electronic boost controller you can tune out the boost spike somewhat with the gain setting.
    I always liked taking the boost reference point from the inlet manifold because it ensured that the boost pressure entering the engine was the same regardless of weather/temperature/inter-cooler efficiency etc etc.
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    Re: Waste Gate Control? 2015/05/05 16:01:05 (permalink)
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    I know whats been done to it.
     
    I still don't understand your original question.  Can you please reword it so that it makes sense?  I've offered two common issues found in these cars and the ways around them.  If one of them relates to your issue, then good :)


    Well, the hose that controls the waste gate, should it be plum in from the intake camber or from the pipe which come out of the turbo before the inter cooler? I done it on my other sdub from the pipe which come out of the turbo which is like a standard sbub as this one has a gt28 on it. I know there are two ways, which is best for circuit racing?
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    Re: Waste Gate Control? 2015/05/05 17:10:23 (permalink)
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    The wastegate vac line uses the pressure from the turbocharger outlet to control the wastegate operation, allowing the gasses to bypass the turbine wheel itself and thus control the boost level.  If the GT28 is internally gated like standard, you want the vac line to be connected as close to the turbo outlet as possible (just like stock), so that it reacts faster to changing levels of pressure and can open the wastegate faster to prevent spiking.
     
    A lot of aftermarket boost controllers will bleed off boost on this line in order to raise it, but they are not all that crash hot at knowing when to stop bleeding and close off.  Usually you'll notice this as a small 2-3psi 'spike' in the max. pressure as you come up onto boost, but it would then settle back down once the controller has finally decided to stop bleeding air off.  One way i've seen that people have regulated this is by using a tee piece with a tiny copper restrictor inside the line heading to the boost controller.  It seems to slow down the operation of the boost controller enough so that it regulates more smoothly.  This results in boost taking a little longer to reach full pressure, but the spike is removed.

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    Re: Waste Gate Control? 2015/05/05 22:44:52 (permalink)
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    The current setup is  a 3 port Electronic controller being controlled by the ecu. I am using a Turbodsmart Tial external 38mm wastegate it had a 18psi spring in it. I'm looking at putting a 10 psi spring in it and tune the boost control per gear, TPS angle and rpm points. So in 2nd gear with throttle at 35% Ecu sets it at 12psi, but at 6000 rpm 100% throttle 14 psi, 3rd gear 15 to 21psi depends on rpm and tps points. As an example. That is why I was asking what's the best way. Intake chamber or close to the turbo for waste gate control.
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    Re: Waste Gate Control? 2015/05/05 22:52:25 (permalink)
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    In that case, always as close to the source of boost as possible.  If your compressor housing doesn't already have a nipple on it that you can use, get one welded on. :)

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    Re: Waste Gate Control? 2015/05/06 00:15:20 (permalink)
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    Also once you get to about double the psi of the spring you will also have trouble keeping boost stable 
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