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Help, the car suddenly stalls on the road and won't start back up

finally saved up for a Mr2 Sw20 1993 turbo import hardtop
 
test drove it yesterday was driving okay, but it stalls on idle twice,
the owner told me the car had been sitting there for 2 weeks,
I start the car back up no problem at all, before I offer to buy it I let it idle for 5mins, no cut off this time,
so I decide to buy it, and went to pick up today,
 
The seller told me he took it to his mechanic and he said it was a fuel pump problem,
I still went ahead with purchase
The car is at Mount Druitt and I live in Epping, about a 40mins drive with highway
I was getting used to the clutch before I start driving back home,
It happened again,
this time it wouldnt start, I tried turning off the audio, and waited a bit,
it starts again,
I drove from Mount Druitt all the way past Granville
about 25km of highway,
I wasn't even driving hard, was driving at 2000-2300rpm on 5th gear,
and the car suddenly stalls when I was braking for the lights when I came out of m4
at that moment, I lost power steering and the brake were really hard,
 
it stopped exactly where the "Hooters" restaurant is at James Ruse Drive ----- did not went in lol
I tried starting the car like 15 times, no luck at all,
some guys in a ute pulled up next to me and offer to push my car into the gas station right next to "hooters"
thank god they were there, I had no idea what I was doing and I was in panic mode
 
I rang the seller, he told me the problem is the fuel pump overheating, and also told me to wait until is cooled off
before the engine can start again,
I popped the rear bonnet and I try to locate the fuel pump, but have no idea, then my phone decides to die on me
worst day of my life,
there is still a fair distance from my house,
was scared that it will suddenly stall on the road again,
so I decided to park my car there overnight and come back in the morning
I always go to Goodyear Auburn for servicing, very expensive :(
but is not far from where I parked my car,
So hopefully, it will start tomorrow, or at least make it to the garage T.T 
I haven't tried starting the car after I pulled over,
I got no more money left for a taxi, as I spent everything for the car,
and the train from Camellia to Carlingford was an hour wait!!
then I had to walk home from Carlingford to Epping  X.X
 
 
Can this be an fuel pump issue? $150 fix?
please advice me 
I really pray that it will be fixed tomorrow and I get to drive it on the weekend
 
 
thanks for your time
 
 
 
 
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    Re: Help, the car suddenly stalls on the road and won't start back up 2015/05/01 07:26:11 (permalink)
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    If you are taking it to a mechanic, he should sort it out without too much stress. If you have little money left on the car, the mechanic option may be a tough decision. Usually unless the mechanic works on MR2s, I wouldn't give the car to them.

    If your going to keep the car and have the tools to work on the car, there are easy steps to its first service (as a new owner). I bought a cheap mr2 and had a few few few lots of hick ups with the car so PM me if you want any more advice than the details below.

    To clarify, what modifications has it had (ECU, Injectors, engine components).

    If it's stalling under idle and you just want to get it home, use a flat head screw driver in the top of the throttle body to turn the idle up screw up. Stock setting is 800 rpm, maybe set it to 1200 rpm to assist in possibly stopping it from stalling. When driving it, don't allow the rpm to drop off suddenly, so don't jump on the clutch and break from high rpm, drive softly.

    So you get the car home, this is what I followed, look online for the BGB MR2 turbo; it has lots of info. Start off service I did; check your AFM setting (read your setting off your AFM), check your TPS setting, clean the throttle body, check all hoses for any leaks. Now you need to spend some money, a must to change the fuel filter (I had to change mine twice within two months of buying the car due to being blocked), and change oil and oil filter. Now it's how far can your wallet go, change usual suspects spark plugs/spark plug leads/air filter, check distributor and replace if needed, get the fault codes from the computer (write down). Clear the computer fault code memory. Take for a drive, re-adjust idle screw, and all should be better. Get fault codes from computer and fix as needed.
    If you have an aftermarket ECU, a dyno maybe needed to get things running right.

    Fuel pump for a higher flowing fuel pump is around the $150, it's a common upgrade from what I have read, they can be a noiser as they sit right next to you (under their gear stick)..... however the instillation is a effort and a mechanic will charge decent for it. There are guides online, took me about 3 hours to remove and the same to get it back in. Use the right tools for the fuel lines, common scanners can round it off and then you are stuffed, so have the right tools. What took days of the car sitting there, was cleaning the tank. I had to clean mine twice, apple cider vinegar from memory - depending on the condition of your tank. Once clean, put back together.

    The above is a guide of what I needed to fix mine and seems common. It's only advice, I am not a trade qualified mechanic.
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    Re: Help, the car suddenly stalls on the road and won't start back up 2015/05/01 09:46:07 (permalink)
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    Hi Vince.   Feel for ya mate.    Sellers don't always remember how long their vehicle has been standing.  Could be poor quality or old stale fuel.  How much fuel showing on gauge?   If very low maybe put in $30 of 98 octane.    DO NOT add any fuel if you think you will be replacing the fuel pump as that requires removing the fuel tank. Quite a difficult job the first time.    You don't say what experience you have mechanically or what tools workshop etc you have access to?
    Arm yourself with a multimeter and check the battery voltage at the battery then in the engine bay fuse box with ignition OFF.  Both should be the same at about 12.5 volts.  If low at battery maybe only 11.0- 11.5 volts then battery is probably rooted.  If low in engine bay fuse box only then clean and tighten battery terminals and retest.
    There are a number of other possible causes of these symptoms but low voltage is certainly one to check.
    Does the starter motor readily spin the engine over or is it sluggish and slow?
    If you get it to start run it at about 2500 RPM and check the voltages again. They should be about 13.2_ 14.2 volts. If not then it is alternator or rectifier.
    Also you would be well advised to check the fuel pressure downstream of the line filter as a choked filter could maybe give these symptoms.  BE BLOODY CAREFULL.  High pressure fuel .ONE LITTLE SPARK!!
    You can pray as much as you like but it is after all a perfectly logical machine and responds to logical diagnosis and can definitely be sorted out.    Come back with what you find.  Lot of blokes on here with good knowledge.  Cheers.
     
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    Re: Help, the car suddenly stalls on the road and won't start back up 2015/05/01 11:41:47 (permalink)
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    Thanks so much for the advice plus support

    Went to my friend's uncle at Granville called C&T Auto Mech Repairs
    He has a garage near when I stall my car
    He drove me to the car
    And it starts up fine
    We decided to head back to his garage which is like a 5min drive
    I drove his car behind him driving the mr2

    It stalls again after the first corner
    Can't start the engine back up again
    The pops the bonnet and I'm not sure what he did
    He placed the dipstick inside one of the tubes which was going into the engine
    No idea what it is sorry, I have little mechanical knowledge

    He told me there was no spark
    And called a tow for me
    Right now I'm waiting for the tow which is like 1.5hrs away

    And is raining as well
    So we were both got wet
    I feel sorry for bothering him, when he got business to make at his garage
    Anyway he drove back in his car
    And I'm waiting on the streets, just writing up an update

    I have an boost and volts gauge on the side
    Ignition on, is showing 11volts
    Fuel level is at 12.5%

    When I turn the key
    The rpm will jump up to like 100-200 rpm
    But the car wouldn't start

    Battery still have power
    All the electrical stuff works

    Don't think I can drive this car anytime soon,
    Just waiting for the car to get to the garage
    And he will plug it into a computer for me

    Fingers cross
    Please!! I just bought it yesterday...

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    Re: Help, the car suddenly stalls on the road and won't start back up 2015/05/01 12:26:27 (permalink)
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    Leave it with the mechanic. If he's competent with EFI, he can diagnose.
     
    Congrats on the purchase! Honestly, there's too little information on the car for anyone here to be able to give meaningful advice, best would be lucky guesses. My gut feel though, is it's not even fuel pump related. Be thankful if it isn't, as it's a PITA to get to the pump.

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    Re: Help, the car suddenly stalls on the road and won't start back up 2015/05/02 13:33:00 (permalink)
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    I reckon the problem will be from your ignition coil or igniter module. It is a common problem when they are gone. Igniter Module or Coil heats up, causes a break in the circuit you lose all spark. Cools back down circuit connects and you can start the car and run it for a few minutes till it heats up again. Even when the car runs however it will run terrible. When he checks the fault code it will probably bring up the fault code for a break in the ignition circuit.
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    Re: Help, the car suddenly stalls on the road and won't start back up 2015/05/03 21:00:41 (permalink)
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    Thanks for the replies

    He hasn't rang me yet
    Maybe case the weekends
    Hopefully will get a call from him on Tomorrow Monday

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    Re: Help, the car suddenly stalls on the road and won't start back up 2015/05/04 17:35:00 (permalink)
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    hey guys
     
    Just heard news from the mechanic
    he told me my fuel pump is working fine
     
    and said it was the ECU problem and ask me to get a ECU from somewhere
    he tried to send the non working ECU to get it fix but was no hope
     
    this car is giving me the biggest headache T.T
     
    I just hope it really is the ECU that is faulty
    does any ECU work with the car? or I have to find an exact 93 turbo import ECU?
     
    what do you guys think??
     
    thanks for your time
    Vincent

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    Re: Help, the car suddenly stalls on the road and won't start back up 2015/05/04 18:23:23 (permalink)
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    I REALLY, REALLY doubt its your ECU. It is very rare for the ECU to go, it will be your ignitor module or coil. You can get your ECU tested there are places that test them like Logicar. Will cost about $150 but it will probably come back fine. If its your ignitor and coil you can grab both from ebay for cheap.
     
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    Re: Help, the car suddenly stalls on the road and won't start back up 2015/05/04 18:34:23 (permalink)
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    Yea I find it weird also
     
    but the mechanic is a friend's uncle
    he called me today at 5, and said my mr2 is a mess, he said it isn't my fuel pump faulty,
    and said is my ECU,
    he sent my ECU to "some expert", but they couldn't do anything about it,
    he just asked me to try and find a new one cause he is very busy with other jobs in his garage,
     
    maybe he is not familiar with sw20 and doesn't know what he is doing
    I don't want to offend him in anyway, cause he is a experienced mechanic.
     
    btw,
    the car has an Amp behind the driver's seat and also aftermarket audio unit and speakers,
    also have a boost gauge and a volts gauge,
     
    could poor wiring work of these lead to damaging my ECU?
    the car still starts but stalls either straight after or runs for 200meters


     
    thanks so much for the help
     
     

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    Re: Help, the car suddenly stalls on the road and won't start back up 2015/05/04 19:01:31 (permalink)
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    As track mr2 says .  Very unlikely to be ECU.   Try replacing the coil first .  Coils have a tendency to crack their outer casing.  Particularly as they get old. 
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    Re: Help, the car suddenly stalls on the road and won't start back up 2015/05/04 19:04:15 (permalink)
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    It could be the ECU. I had similar symptoms.
     
    Mine went about 4 years back. One of the capacitors inside were leaking. Symptoms were the engine would just turn off while driving, independent of anything else (speed, load, rpm, boost etc). The speed and tach would drop to zero and the engine would stop. Because the ignition was set to "on" when the engine shut off, the dash lights would be active - I never lost power (ie. radio, lights etc.) but the engine stops because there is no spark/fuel.
     
    After sitting overnight and having a cold start, the first time it would turn off 20-40 minutes after driving, then 10, then 5. It would progressively decrease that time until it would just crank over and not start. ie the more "warmed up" the car was, the more prone it was to shutting off.
     
    ECU's are fairly easy to find. I'm sure there's a JDM wrecker near you. Otherwise, I know that Shine Auto in Underwood here in Brisbane are wrecking 2 SW20's at the moment. Also, you could try www.mr2wreckersaustralia.com.au 
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    Re: Help, the car suddenly stalls on the road and won't start back up 2015/05/04 19:14:13 (permalink)
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    thanks guys for the support
     
    jsnhrl
     
    that does sounds like my symptoms I experienced, although I just drove it only for one night,
    the drive-able time will progressively decrease as well,
     
    I'm currently hunting for a 93 turbo JDM ECU
     
    will contact all the wreckers and mr2 specialists which everyone has kindly provided me with
    cheers
     
     
     

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    Re: Help, the car suddenly stalls on the road and won't start back up 2015/05/04 19:24:59 (permalink)
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    Hmm, think the test drive should have rang some alarm bells. 
     
    Hope you didn't pay too much for it initially, looks like its about to cost you a bit now. 
     
    Paul Brell is the NSW/Sydney MR2 specialist. Save time and money with misdiagnosis and guess work and get it over to him I suggest.
     
    If there's a problem with these cars, he's seen it many times before.

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    Re: Help, the car suddenly stalls on the road and won't start back up 2015/05/04 19:26:20 (permalink)
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    You should get the part number off the ecu to ensure you buy the correct one.

    I have doubts on it being the ecu as well.
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