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2014/03/16 15:05:52 (permalink)
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Oil on the intake side of turbo

Hi guys, 

Hoping you can give me some help/insight. I pulled the intake off the turbo today and found that on the inside there is a light layer of oil covering the inside of the intake housing of the turbo. To my knowledge this shouldn't occur and the oil should only be confined to the CHRA to lubricate.



This turbo hasnt been used that much since it's rebuild. It had 8k on it before I installed it and since then I have put only 13k on it. The turbo is performing fine, im not loosing oil and I am not blowing smoke from the exhaust at all.

Is this normal or should I be worried?  

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    Re: Oil on the intake side of turbo 2014/03/16 16:02:39 (permalink)
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    It could be sucking in oil from the crankcase breather system? Maybe take off the catch can and confirm the hose to the sump is not blocked?
    Other than that maybe try a small breather filter on the catch can exit and plug the port on the air intake piping? Then clean the turbo comp and confirm it's not coming back.

    What ever it is, it could have contributed to the death of the old turbo.
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    Re: Oil on the intake side of turbo 2014/03/16 16:59:32 (permalink)
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    Thanks Nick. I'll give it a go. 

    I have been having a on and off gurgling noise coming from around the turbo/dump pipe area when I shut of car after a long drive. So I assume this has something to do with it. 

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    Re: Oil on the intake side of turbo 2014/03/16 17:24:21 (permalink)
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    The gurgling noise is likely a bit of air in the cooling system. That would be my guess.
     
    I'm actually going to try a small filter on the catch can myself. 3/4" / 18mm ID is the one that fits. I just bought a black one from this seller for $11.50aud shipped.
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    Re: Oil on the intake side of turbo 2014/03/16 22:03:16 (permalink)
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    Are you running a blow off valve. Could be bad flutter causing oil spillage from within the turbo. If you look at the dirty oil pattern the the turbo speed would be quite slow to produce such an effect.  Looks to me as if the oil or what ever it is, is coming out from the turbo.

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    Re: Oil on the intake side of turbo 2014/03/16 22:19:21 (permalink)
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    Mrskylighter
    The gurgling noise is likely a bit of air in the cooling system. That would be my guess.


    Thats what I thought too. But I have bled the system multiple times to no avail. 
    Thanks man; I will definitely give that a go if cleaning out the hoses etc doesnt work. 

    kojab
    Are you running a blow off valve. Could be bad flutter causing oil spillage from within the turbo. If you look at the dirty oil pattern the the turbo speed would be quite slow to produce such an effect.  Looks to me as if the oil or what ever it is, is coming out from the turbo.



    I am running a blow off valve and I do tend to get a little bit of flutter when under 4psi. Time for a new BOV possibly? 



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    Re: Oil on the intake side of turbo 2014/03/17 08:00:52 (permalink)
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    Agree with what mrskylighter said. Clean it and block the intake hose and see how it goes
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    Re: Oil on the intake side of turbo 2014/03/17 09:29:08 (permalink)
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    dont think its BOV related..
    are you running a catch can at all???
    if so check and see if its got oil in it..
    could just be blowby
    if your BOV is recirculated then check to see if there oil coming from there (turbo oil seal can fail and oil can be back into the intake via the bov recirculating)
    if theres oil in the intake then theres oil in your intercooler too most likely, so would be st to clean that as well..
     

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    Re: Oil on the intake side of turbo 2014/03/17 10:03:28 (permalink)
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    purple5ive
    dont think its BOV related..
    are you running a catch can at all???
    if so check and see if its got oil in it..
    could just be blowby
    if theres oil in the intake then theres oil in your intercooler too most likely, so would be st to clean that as well..
     


    I have the stock gen3 catch can.
    Is it possible to open it up or is it a sealed unit?   



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    Re: Oil on the intake side of turbo 2014/03/17 10:26:04 (permalink)
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    It is sealed but you can see inside it easily once removed. I actually had mine off the other day to check it out.
     
    Its just a fairly basic design with some plastic dividers in it.
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    Re: Oil on the intake side of turbo 2014/03/17 11:03:04 (permalink)
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    Okay, too easy. I'll pop it off to have a look. 

    Im also having trouble finding the hose that goes to the crank case from the catch can. 
    The only hose I have been able follow goes into a hard metal line that then ends up finishing at the bottom of the engine bay with this black fitting in the corner. 


    I was tinkering a moment ago and found some dried oil on the inside of one of the intake fittings which comes from the top of the valve cover. I also had a look at that black looking container that sits in between the valve cover and intake pipe and there seems to be fresh oil in there. I guess this could be one source of my problem as you guys have previously mentioned?




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    Re: Oil on the intake side of turbo 2014/03/17 11:23:12 (permalink)
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    The oil return line from the catch can is short and connects to the head quite close by. I simply removed the line from the can and blew air into using my mouth to confirm it wasn't blocked.
    If you try this method have a flavoured drink on hand as old oil tastes foul :)
     
    Does the black intake piping have a lot of gunk in it as well? You should be able to see inside the pipe where the catch can line connects to check if the oily stuff is streaming out of it.
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    Re: Oil on the intake side of turbo 2014/03/17 12:28:12 (permalink)
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    Haha okay cheers mate. 
    Here are the 3 lines I have coming from the catch can. 
    The red line heads behind metal protective shield on the firewall and assume it is connected to the fuel evaporative system as the line smells of fuel.
    The blue/purple line comes from the bottom of the catch can and goes to that black fitting that I mentioned above which is a dead end. 
    The green line is connected to a sensor which sits on a bracket that is bolted to catch can itself. 
    Im guessing this has been incorrectly done?


    Inside the intake pipe itself there is a lot a black soot which was from the last turbo but nothing fresh from what I can see. I dont have a line connecting from the catch can to the intake pipe. The only two connecting lines I have is the one I mentioned before which is in yellow below and the other that is in red seems to go under the intake manifold; where it goes from there..I have no idea. 

     

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    Re: Oil on the intake side of turbo 2014/03/17 12:44:56 (permalink)
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    you have got the catch can and charcoal canister mixed up
    the yellow canister (is the oil catch can) and the yellow line is the line that recirculates the gas coming out of it into the intake
    the red line doesnt go to the manifold from memory. its the AC idle up valve. you have traced i past where it goes and confused it with another wire instead of a hose by the looks of it..
     
    the hose you need to check is the yellow one going into the intake, see if theres fresh oil coming from that..
    i would also clean the intake piping and make sure there no soot to start with, makes checkign things easier, not to mention your sucking all that into your intercooler which will coat the insides of it with oila nd reduce cooling efficiency due to less heat transfer..
    cheers
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    Re: Oil on the intake side of turbo 2014/03/17 12:45:16 (permalink)
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    That black box with the three hoses connected (highlighted in yellow) is the catch can.
     
    The other thing you might have been referring to is the charcoal canister which is part of the fuel system. It has a connection to the fuel tank vent line, two vacuum hoses to the throttle body and another which I think is a fresh air inlet to the canister.
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