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2014/02/10 21:44:10 (permalink)
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Beams SW20 advice

Hi guys, I'm a new MR2 owner and am looking at upgrading the motor down the track.
I'm really enjoying the standard NA engine, and am thinking about upgrading to a Beams engine.
I've had turbo cars before (WRX and XR6T Falcon) and would prefer to stay NA for now.
Who has a Beams powered MR2, and what do they think of it?
I do realise its an expensive option compared to the turbo, but i like the idea of having something different.
Any feedback is appreciated...
 
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    Tree
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    Re: Beams SW20 advice 2014/02/12 19:02:28 (permalink)
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    Hey Rick
    Congrats on your new ownership of the MR2, they are such great little cars to drive around.
     
    Compared to the older 3SGEs the Beams has much better low down torque and pulls great mid-high range. VVTi just improves it across the entire rev range. The another awesome characteristic is that distinct 4 cyl induction roar/growl thanks to improved intake plenum.
     
    Don't forget that if you were to swap a turbo engine to an NA chassis it is recommended that you get the E153 turbo gearbox and driveaxles for longevity and high power (if upping boosting future) due to the amount of torque and better matched gearing. Taking that into account the Beams engine swap might even work out cheaper and more reliable (debatable) in the long run but only because there's less things to go wrong.
    If you want something really exotic then can't go past 2GR but then you're looking at spending quite a bit...
     
    Be sure to check out the FAQ on the far bottom right of the website on the guide to swapping BEAMS engine3
     
    Feel free to ask more questions :)
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    Re: Beams SW20 advice 2014/02/12 19:25:11 (permalink)
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    Thanks for the feedback.
    Is the standard gearbox ok with the beams engine?
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    Re: Beams SW20 advice 2014/02/12 20:44:29 (permalink)
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    From a bit of research before I did my swap many people have used their original gearbox without any dramas including me which also helps to keep costs down. That means no LSD but even with the BEAMS you will still find it difficult to side the rear out given good tyres. General consensus is S54 are quite robust.
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    Re: Beams SW20 advice 2014/02/12 21:04:47 (permalink)
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    Have you modified your Beams in any way?
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    Re: Beams SW20 advice 2014/02/12 21:28:34 (permalink)
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    Like Tree, I also have a BEAMS powered MR2 - I did the conversion back in 2010 and haven't looked back since. It's a nice a reliable daily driver.
     
    The conversion cost me quite a bit only because I bought an engine straight out of a SW20 from Japan, then had the engine rebuilt with SXE10 pistons, and bought a brand new engine loom, and a full BEAMS loom (front, cabin and body)
     
    Modification-wise my car has:
     
    - Fujitsubo Legalis R cat back exhaust (soon to be changed with a rare Apex'i GT spec light sports muffler)
    - SARD Super EX intake.
    - TOMS brake master cylinder stopper
    - Cusco front and rear strut brace
    - TEIN FLEX coil overs
     
    The only thing I want for my BEAMS car is a late model S54 gearbox with aftermarket LSD. Apart from that I plan to keep it fairly mild because I also have a genuine TYPE III SW20 GT-S I had imported back in 2001.
     
    Would I recommend doing a BEAMS conversion - YES!! They sound great and the engine feels bigger than a 2 litre :). Dare I say it but i sometimes enjoy driving the BEAMS over my MR2 GT-S.

    Darren

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    - TYPE III MR2 GT-S Hardtop (Mine)
    - TYPE III MR2 GT-S Hardtop (Dustin's)

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    Re: Beams SW20 advice 2014/02/12 21:52:10 (permalink)
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    Is replacing the loom necessary? What other things do I need to consider?
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    Re: Beams SW20 advice 2014/02/12 22:42:44 (permalink)
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    Your existing body loom can be converted but you would have to handy with wiring or get a good auto electrician to do it. I was just fussy and wanted everything to work and be genuine BEAM stuff :)

    Darren

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    Re: Beams SW20 advice 2014/02/12 22:44:17 (permalink)
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    It would be easier if you get a Genuine red top out of an SW20 but they are hard to source. The cheaper option would be get a grey top from a Caldina.

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    Re: Beams SW20 advice 2014/02/13 09:02:36 (permalink)
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    What did you do for your exhaust?
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    Re: Beams SW20 advice 2014/02/13 09:34:47 (permalink)
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    another beams owner here! and i can vouch for everything everyone has said about this engine. i have had mine since about September and have loved every day of owning it. mine's a Beams motor straight out of a MR2 , unfortunately we were missing some vital wiring loom bits and pieces here  and there so ended up going with a stand alone ECU which solved all our problems. 
     
    in regards to mods mine has ECU, Exhaust (custom made 2.75inch) and intake and is making around 127kw atw, its not much but its enough to keep me smiling like a goof when i put the foot down   
     
     
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    Re: Beams SW20 advice 2014/02/13 09:46:09 (permalink)
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    I suggest you have a drive of a beams mr2. You might find that its awesome and exactly what you're after. Or you might feel its not enough of an upgrade for the money and you start considering a turbo or v6 swap.
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    Re: Beams SW20 advice 2014/02/14 02:11:38 (permalink)
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    127 kw atw farrrk lol. I only got 110kw but I'm running a greytop with stock everything; actually gen 3 b-pipe and minor exhaust leak with sub-par intake jobby might have affected that dyno run so I'm gonna have another crack next dyno day.
    If you're not in a rush, the best donor engine to find IMO is a redtop sourced from a Celica (SW20s as said are very rare and sellers will probably demand a premium...). Reason is because it has free-flowing extractors (supposedly worth 10hp over greytop) which alone is kinda hard to find if you already had a greytop like me.But as Adrian said it's best to try out one for yourself since experience>word of mouth (biased). If you're in Victoria there's a cruise coming up on the 23rd and I'm happy to give you a taste of ze Beams.
    I still think the Beams is the cheapest option vs turbo (Gen 2 not worth considering) and V6 except maybe the 1MZ which can be had for cheaps but once again time/money spent on custom parts to fit
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    Re: Beams SW20 advice 2014/02/14 11:25:55 (permalink)
    +1 (1)
     
    tree you still managed to give me a decent run when you were up in sydney though 
     
    same offer applys rick if your in sydney id be happy to take you for a drive in mine to show you what beams life is all about 
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    Re: Beams SW20 advice 2014/02/14 11:58:28 (permalink)
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    Voodoo: 127kw at the wheels nice. I'd be interested in seeing how much mine makes never bothered putting mine on the dyno.

    Rick: Like tree I'm based in Melbourne so if you are around I can give you a taste of a BEAMS powered car too. Furthermore if you do decide to go beams powered I can supply you a BEAMS SW20 body loom and dash loom :)
    post edited by mister_two - 2014/02/14 12:28:33

    Darren

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