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RE: SW20 track car back on track 2014/09/03 23:27:09 (permalink)
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Yeah, the intermediate runner has a really steep taper tied in with the port shape changing. They actually share a lot in common with the 350z in that regard, which is probably why cosworth turned their manifold runners back on themselves instead of going for a cross ram design.

Unfortunantley I never played with these motors from a performance aspect, however I have rebuilt about 30 of them in my time when I worked for a major victorian toyota dealership.

The main things I remember about them were common faults, failures etc. For instance:
*bores ovaling and wandering, even in a production capacity
*vvti oil supply pipes for the back bank were prone to cracking
*pistons and ring were revised 3 or 4 times, the main issues were skirt length and design wearing the bores, oil control rings being too low tension, and also had an issue with gumming up and sticking into the piston relief.
*vvti cam gears had an issue with the retaining pin flogging out - it never affected operation, but caused a lot of noise on startup.
*if using headbolts, genuine only, NEVER reuse them, and the threads in the block aren't great, we had to helicoil quite a few as they had a habit of pulling threads out the block.
*if torque plate honing, use an alloy torque plate, not a steel one.
*run an oil cooler - these things cook oil, and cause trouble with the vvti filters, and valve stem seals.
*if you got a later model engine and have the black plastic oil filter housing, ditch it and get an alloy one from an earlier model.

Oh, if your using genuine main bearings (they never caused issues, they were a good thing) did your engine builder have fun selecting the right size? I recall there being a number on the crank, block and cradle, and you had a chart which based off the three numbers there were one of six or eight bearing thicknesses to use.

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224.6KW @ 20PSI

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RE: SW20 track car back on track 2014/09/20 21:01:39 (permalink)
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Yeah, the intermediate runner has a really steep taper tied in with the port shape changing. They actually share a lot in common with the 350z in that regard, which is probably why cosworth turned their manifold runners back on themselves instead of going for a cross ram design.

Unfortunantley I never played with these motors from a performance aspect, however I have rebuilt about 30 of them in my time when I worked for a major victorian toyota dealership.

The main things I remember about them were common faults, failures etc. For instance:
*bores ovaling and wandering, even in a production capacity
*vvti oil supply pipes for the back bank were prone to cracking
*pistons and ring were revised 3 or 4 times, the main issues were skirt length and design wearing the bores, oil control rings being too low tension, and also had an issue with gumming up and sticking into the piston relief.
*vvti cam gears had an issue with the retaining pin flogging out - it never affected operation, but caused a lot of noise on startup.
*if using headbolts, genuine only, NEVER reuse them, and the threads in the block aren't great, we had to helicoil quite a few as they had a habit of pulling threads out the block.
*if torque plate honing, use an alloy torque plate, not a steel one.
*run an oil cooler - these things cook oil, and cause trouble with the vvti filters, and valve stem seals.
*if you got a later model engine and have the black plastic oil filter housing, ditch it and get an alloy one from an earlier model.

Oh, if your using genuine main bearings (they never caused issues, they were a good thing) did your engine builder have fun selecting the right size? I recall there being a number on the crank, block and cradle, and you had a chart which based off the three numbers there were one of six or eight bearing thicknesses to use.



Thanks for all the info on the engine. I have passed it all onto the engine builder. The block has now been pinned and the torque plate is on its way.
I will be running a oil cooler but it will not sludge up as I change the oil every 500km! Just a track thing..
 
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RE: SW20 track car back on track 2014/09/20 21:02:59 (permalink)
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The camshafts are now finished and in transit. Such a relief. Based on the data I provided for the cams,
 
The standard camshafts can be reground to provide a great performance upgrade over the standard units. Price is around $1000 plus shipping/taxes etc. If you upgrade the heads/plenum/exhaust, you will enjoy some impressive gains over the standard output.
 
I have most of the intake manifold components sorted with the balance to be sourced and fabricated next week. This seems to be a pretty important part of this build. Here are some pic's of the 'core' of the manifold. I could not finish the second manifold as one of the runners was the wrong diameter. No big deal.
 
 

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RE: SW20 track car back on track 2015/01/20 21:04:19 (permalink)
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Yeah, the intermediate runner has a really steep taper tied in with the port shape changing. They actually share a lot in common with the 350z in that regard, which is probably why cosworth turned their manifold runners back on themselves instead of going for a cross ram design.

Unfortunantley I never played with these motors from a performance aspect, however I have rebuilt about 30 of them in my time when I worked for a major victorian toyota dealership.

The main things I remember about them were common faults, failures etc. For instance:
*bores ovaling and wandering, even in a production capacity
*vvti oil supply pipes for the back bank were prone to cracking
*pistons and ring were revised 3 or 4 times, the main issues were skirt length and design wearing the bores, oil control rings being too low tension, and also had an issue with gumming up and sticking into the piston relief.
*vvti cam gears had an issue with the retaining pin flogging out - it never affected operation, but caused a lot of noise on startup.
*if using headbolts, genuine only, NEVER reuse them, and the threads in the block aren't great, we had to helicoil quite a few as they had a habit of pulling threads out the block.
*if torque plate honing, use an alloy torque plate, not a steel one.
*run an oil cooler - these things cook oil, and cause trouble with the vvti filters, and valve stem seals.
*if you got a later model engine and have the black plastic oil filter housing, ditch it and get an alloy one from an earlier model.

Oh, if your using genuine main bearings (they never caused issues, they were a good thing) did your engine builder have fun selecting the right size? I recall there being a number on the crank, block and cradle, and you had a chart which based off the three numbers there were one of six or eight bearing thicknesses to use.

I just read through everything you wrote (again). Thankyou for all the info as it is invaluable. If you are interested in helping out the engine assembly, perhaps we could work something out?
Cheers
 
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RE: SW20 track car back on track 2015/01/20 21:23:35 (permalink)
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Its been a while between updates as I have not done too much but there is a little to report. Since the MR2 Australia Trackd21 Challenge is now done and dusted for another year (already planning 2016..) its back to sorting out all the odds and ends before the engine is ready to install.
The engine had plenty of delays from the machinist to the camshafts. Camshaft design and build has taken quite some time but as one camshaft was incorrect then needed to be thrown then a new one machined up. Once this was done, it was sent off for the custom grind then arrived back in Sydney. There seems to be a few curve balls with the 2GR but they have been overcome. Seems like it will be a pretty stout engine when its up and running. The goal is 460hp/10:1 comp at 7500rpm/98 octane. As I cannot leave anything alone..its now set up at 12.8:1 comp/7500rpm with a 'wait and see' on the results. Certainly not expecting the goal number but its best to try and get as close as possible. I do have a concern it will be 'over the top' as close to 300rwkw in a 1000kg car is a bit crazy. At least I will be in with a chance of a top five finish at MTC 2016!
The plenum is almost finished with twin throttle bodies running of a common linkage and a undisclosed plenum volume to suit the cams/exhaust etc.
The fuel system will receive a 2.5 ltr surge tank/044 external pump/earls 40 micron fuel filter/new alloy fuel lines with earls fittings. Fuel surge tank and pump will be fitted in the 'frunk'. There are a few mods to the fuel tank lines but pretty easy mod and I keep the weight out of the rear of the car. the balance of the parts will be here tomorrow with install over the next few afternoons.
Did a test fit of the Haltech Elite/Smartwire module today which all looks ok. The IQ3 is fitted and the harness is ready for the sparky.
The seat has been replaced with the Recaro. Its a little tight which gives me incentive to do some exercise! It has been reset so its very comfortable with correct seating etc. Steering column has also been reset so it is exactly in the centre of the seat.
The lower control arm link conversion is still at the half way point but it will be receiving a nudge very soon.
So it is coming together with engine install expected in a few weeks time but will have to see how it evolves over the coming weeks.
 
 
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RE: SW20 track car back on track 2015/01/20 21:51:48 (permalink)
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Can't wait to see this tearing up the tarmac at Mallala!

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RE: SW20 track car back on track 2015/01/20 21:59:53 (permalink)
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Only 6 weeks till wakefield 300.... u will be pushing it steve!
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RE: SW20 track car back on track 2015/01/20 23:08:31 (permalink)
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Only 6 weeks till wakefield 300.... u will be pushing it steve!

Sounds like you're getting excited Mike???
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RE: SW20 track car back on track 2015/01/20 23:10:49 (permalink)
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Thanks for the offer Steve, but i am already beyond snowed under this, as well as being based in mexico (melbourne). Im helping get a sport sedan back up and running, have some wiring to do on an adgp car some time in the near future as well as two time attack cars (possibly a third one to start) as well as a few other larger street car builds going on a the moment. It will be interesting to see how the car goes with the haltech elite (havent had a chance to play with one yet), a little birdie told me charlie is going the motec route on his car.

Hopefully i will be able to make it down to mtc16, as i wasnt even able to make it to spectate this years event.

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RE: SW20 track car back on track 2015/01/20 23:46:16 (permalink)
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Only 6 weeks till wakefield 300.... u will be pushing it steve!


I will not make Wakefield this year. I will simply buy a drive as I did last year.
It will be ready for Winton. bit closer for the couther crew.
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RE: SW20 track car back on track 2015/01/20 23:48:59 (permalink)
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Thanks for the offer Steve, but i am already beyond snowed under this, as well as being based in mexico (melbourne). Im helping get a sport sedan back up and running, have some wiring to do on an adgp car some time in the near future as well as two time attack cars (possibly a third one to start) as well as a few other larger street car builds going on a the moment. It will be interesting to see how the car goes with the haltech elite (havent had a chance to play with one yet), a little birdie told me charlie is going the motec route on his car.

Hopefully i will be able to make it down to mtc16, as i wasnt even able to make it to spectate this years event.

No worries, I will have it sorted as you are clearly in demand!
I think your little bird may be doing my wiring! Troy will be looking after the wiring and one of Charlies contacts may be doing the exaust. Will have to wait and see.
Look forward to catching up in 2016. Ho[efully a few more of the Vic boys will make it.
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RE: SW20 track car back on track 2015/01/21 00:42:18 (permalink)
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May just have to visit Troy when the lamp arrives
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RE: SW20 track car back on track 2015/01/22 22:23:06 (permalink)
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Do that Travis. I will be in Melbourne next month to spend a day at Sandown with Charlie. There is a chance the car will be there but more than likely a few weeks later.
Where is the Pearl!
 
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RE: SW20 track car back on track 2015/01/23 00:19:41 (permalink)
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The Pearl is in Andys garage id say.
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RE: SW20 track car back on track 2015/01/31 11:29:53 (permalink)
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I think I have his email so will send him a letter to see if he can prepare for 2016.
As a few know, I have been busy preparing the fuel system with a change to a fuel surge located where the battery is located. It is something which I have been looking into for some time but decided to install it as the engine is still taking forever to be prepared so best to be productive than destructive.
Installing the boot is not an option due to weight distribution ( I desperately need any weight back in the front and low as possible) and flying backwards into a fix object or having a car run into the rear of the car would not be appreciated by a little tank fell of fuel. At least in the front, it is as low as possible due to the factory battery folder and easy to service( if required). It also a bit of a 'feature'!
Battery will be located in the cabin on the passengers side on the floor in a box. Dry or a light weight model will be used.


 
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