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RE: SW20 track car back on track 2014/02/07 09:28:59 (permalink)
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I believe Steve has chosen to go with these

48mm GSXR1300R Hyabusa throttles, which are very modular, easy to work with and go for as low as $100/set.
 
They can easily be setup for a V6, in fact this is what I have done with mine (using 38mm GSXR750 throttles)

 
With a simple flange and some welding you can fit them like this

And the final product

post edited by Knightrous - 2014/02/07 09:32:18
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RE: SW20 track car back on track 2014/02/07 09:57:12 (permalink)
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What power gain did you get with your setup over the origional engine?

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RE: SW20 track car back on track 2014/02/07 12:28:59 (permalink)
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The last two photos are not of my setup. They belong to LimeyMk1 from TwoBrutal, his build thread with ITB's starts here - http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?7053-Here-goes!-Limey-s-Swap/page16
 
He has a dyno graph here:

IIRC, most stock 1MZ's put down around 145-150RWHP, so it seems to have some gains to it.
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RE: SW20 track car back on track 2014/02/10 17:35:49 (permalink)
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Thanks for all that mate. Certainly some food for thought.
 
After spending the weekend at the Bathurst 12hr I managed to spend time at the Donut King garage and get some facts and figures on the 2GR. The Lotus Elise runs a 2GR with a Harrop Supercharger with 8psi producing 420 hp all day long for the 12hr race. Track temp was 56 degrees, ambient temp was 36 degrees. Car ran with no issue for the entire weekend. There was also talk of results of the following: rising the boost and E85 which then produced 680hp.
Massive power but not required for my application.
This car also runs a single throttle body which looked like 75mm.
Even with the 420hp it was very quick. A estimate of 260 kph on Conrod straight as it was a little slower than the GT3 cars.
It also won its class which is a thumbs up for Neil and the crew who prepped and maintained the car for the weekend.
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RE: SW20 track car back on track 2014/02/10 20:53:50 (permalink)
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The Lotus uses the Harrop HTV1320 supercharger.

http://www.harrop.com.au/proddetail.php?prod=HTV1320GEN&cat=35
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RE: SW20 track car back on track 2014/02/10 23:30:05 (permalink)
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I can vouch for the Harrop blowers effectiveness :)
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RE: SW20 track car back on track 2014/02/22 19:02:04 (permalink)
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No boosting after the 3SGTE drama. Thanks, but not this time around.
 
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RE: SW20 track car back on track 2014/02/22 20:37:38 (permalink)
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I never found out what happened to your last 3SGTE. What went wrong?

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RE: SW20 track car back on track 2014/02/23 17:18:16 (permalink)
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I never found out what happened to your last 3SGTE. What went wrong?


 
I ran out of patience. Aside from the new turbo core letting go and breaking the camels back I was sick of being ripped off by tuners/fabricators and everything to do with a modified turbo charged car. Gives me the %#^& thinking about it.
Then the V6 option came up, so I took it. It was that or sell the car and buy an esky. I will have less power but less weight and a simple system compared to managing the turbo.
All the wiring is completely removed along with the engine/gearbox so I will be rehashing the car yet again.  
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RE: SW20 track car back on track 2014/02/24 18:46:41 (permalink)
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I feel your pain. I've been there.
Each build I do, I do more of it myself and I think that's the key to success. When you do it yourself, you are careful and take everything into account and there is no risk of the apprentice working on it at a workshop or someone forgetting to tighten a bolt.
Good luck with the new engine.
FYI my last race car was a 2L RS2000 Escort and it had Motec throttle bodies on it. I put it all together myself and power did improve over the Sierra single throttle body plenum manifold I had on it previously. I lost mid-range torque though. You really need to rev the tits off an engine with throttle bodies to get the full benefit. Make sure you change the cams when you do the build.
BTW you can get throttle bodies that don't have butterflies - when they open, it is a big hole - nothing in the middle. I can't remember who makes them though.

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RE: SW20 track car back on track 2014/02/24 20:50:18 (permalink)
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Barrel valves and flat slides. 
 
Those are like having a turbo engine with constant issues to have running well 24/7. They have downsides also (jamming and part throttle openings etc)
 
 
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RE: SW20 track car back on track 2014/02/25 08:47:26 (permalink)
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also guillotine throttles take up a lot more space, and barrel valves are super expensive. Heres a quick summary from jenvey:

http://www.jenvey.co.uk/j...els-or-slide-throttles
post edited by MCT_MR2 - 2014/02/25 08:50:52

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RE: SW20 track car back on track 2014/02/25 20:48:54 (permalink)
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The Donut King car (Exige V6 Cup) that Neil/SSC prepped won by reliability in the end, it was not without its stoppages though, it had two lengthy stoppages, one for a SC belt, other I cant remember.  The Ginetta was beating it in pace and reliability up until it failed to finish.  The Exige V6 was the only car to finish in its class, but a win is a win and thats endurance racing.
 
I cant see a 1320 ever doing 680hp, I have one on my car, I think at 420hp they would be getting reasonably close to maxing it out.  But I could be wrong.
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RE: SW20 track car back on track 2014/02/26 21:25:05 (permalink)
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Neil only gave me the hp number and nothing else. also do not know the exact spec on the sc so its all guess work.
As for the itb's, its not top of the list. There is still the idea of running the stock lower intake with a larger plenum and a large single throttle body. The larger plenum would have velocity stacks going straight up instead of to one side for clearances.
The priority is having the engine reconditioned/built with some portwork then get it installed and running. Right now, its still sitting in the workshop waiting for the 3SGTE to be sorted before starting on the 2GR.
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