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2013/11/18 21:41:21 (permalink)
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My gearbox issue.. please look.

So, i have this issue,
and ill start from the start.

So i had my clutch replaced with an exedy sports tuff kit in July this year.
the work was done by Charlestown toyota who i work for,
However,it was full of dramas, not only did it take the tech 22hours inn job clocked time and 4 days of my car being off the road to be done, the slave cylinder failed, and i sourced a replacement,
upon driving it out, i noticed the clutch bite was very high in the pedal like from putting your foot on the clutch it was about 1 inch down, so i thought its ok just a new clutch,




fast forward to the last week or so
upon starting the car after work, or even sometimes before work
i cant pinpoint a common denominator so to speak when this occurs, it can be dead cold left overnight from driving and it may or may not do it, or it could be sitting in the sun for 2 hours and it may or may not do it so im not sure whats causing this.
BUT ill start the car, go to put my foot on the clutch and it will start to rattle nd vibrate quite violently.
untill my foot has released the clutch then it stops OR up untill the gearbox warms up or after 1-2mins of driving.

it is VERY noticible, now i thought-  'this is the perks of a HD clutch noisy release springs or noisy throwout'.
but i read this happens untill you put the foot on the clutch- not the other way around like in my case... ?
and also, it still has quite a high bite point.. it hasnt really come down much. the clutch has only done 3500kms.



Also i changed my shifter bushings to the brass twos r us ones about 3 months ago, not sure if they could contribute?
Also, my engine oil level is full- 10w40 royal purple
and my gearbox oil ijust changed 2 months ago to amsoil 75-90 smooth shift gl4

just wondering,
is that noise my clutch being screwed?
or is it normal,
is the high bite point normal?
and that rattle what could that be?




can someone help me,
should i demand them check the clutch? or could it be as simple as a bad bleed job?




Any opinions/help would be great.
post edited by Gatesys SW20 - 2013/11/18 23:11:39
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    dasic1
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    Re: My gearbox issue.. please look. 2013/11/18 22:54:00 (permalink)
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    I lost interest about 10 times trying to read that.
     
    All I can say is it is not normal, with that clutch it should drive like a factory car
     
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    Gatesys SW20
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    Re: My gearbox issue.. please look. 2013/11/18 23:13:48 (permalink)
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    Sorry Dasic
    Just trying to include all info i can.

    i have edited and trimmed it down.

    So the rattle is not normal? sounds like a bad install?
    thats exactly what i thought and read from other reviews of the clutch kit.
    being 35% extra clamp load, but behave like the factory clutch.


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    Re: My gearbox issue.. please look. 2013/11/18 23:41:22 (permalink)
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    Sounds like your clutch has failed. I know a few of the AW11 guys have had issues with the Excedy clutchs failing at the springs in the friction plate. Basically, the springs break loose and rub against the pressure plate or the flywheel bolts.
     

    When you start the motor, the rattle happens at the friction plate spins around and the spring rattles against the flywheel bolts or pressure plate. When you clutch in, the rattle stops since the friction plate stops. It might only rattle sometimes because the spring might re-seat itself for a bit.
    IIRC, this happened to both Harreh and Dneg on these forums.
     
    My advice, get it on the hoist at work, pull the gearbox inspection/dust cover off and stick an endoscope in there to have a look. If it's shagged, either get a warranty or buy a quality clutch from NPC :)
     
     
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    Re: My gearbox issue.. please look. 2013/11/19 07:32:42 (permalink)
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    Thanks for the input knight!

    However my issue happens when I put my foot on the clutch the rattle starts.. not when its not pushed to the floor.

    ill have them look at it in the next few days
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    Re: My gearbox issue.. please look. 2013/11/19 08:47:59 (permalink)
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    Just getting my head around the 22 hours part.  You could remove, rebuild and re-install a gearbox in less time than that.  And that's without using a hoist.  I'm interested to hear the story behind the time . . .

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    Re: My gearbox issue.. please look. 2013/11/19 10:00:49 (permalink)
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    nO IDEA,
    mate, they stuffed me around a lot and I WORK There! place is a joke.
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    Re: My gearbox issue.. please look. 2013/11/19 11:02:16 (permalink)
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    NPC clutches tell me more? HD organic or cushion button?
    please tell me more.
    are they decently priced?
    do you use one?
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    Re: My gearbox issue.. please look. 2013/11/19 11:13:27 (permalink)
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    I recently installed an Exedy HD Organic Clutch. No problems there. I've probably used 2 sets of Exedy on the car now. Its probably a bad install man.
     
     
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    Re: My gearbox issue.. please look. 2013/11/19 11:24:18 (permalink)
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    Your clutch definately needs come out. Possibly you have excess grease on the flywheel or a oil leak onto the flywheel or maybe even the flywheel bolts are comming loose. Any which way it's not going to last too long so the sooner you get it out the less damage will be done.
    I know someone that had a excedy HD fited to a 300zx. There was too much grease ended up super heating and the friction plates fell off.
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    Re: My gearbox issue.. please look. 2013/11/19 15:24:20 (permalink)
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    You also shouldn't have a high bite on a brand new clutch. It should be the complete opposite, You should feel bite as close to the floor as possible, progressively getting higher as the clutch wears more. Usually means when the clutch was replaced, it wasn't installed properly for it to have a high bite, or your slave needs readjusting. The fact that your slave was replaced though still suggests the latter but I don't doubt it wasn't installed correctly either.
     
    There's no doubt your clutch has failed.
    On an aftermarket clutch you should have a lighter, more tactile throwout, with no noise increase during clutch movement. However during driving around at low rpm you might notice a bit of chatter, but you should have already disengaged the clutch completely before this even starts to happen.
    If the endoscope *looks* fine, then chances are your throwout bearing has failed, which suggests a poor clutch install. Being an Exedy I think Knightrous is on the money though. 
     
    On my daily I've had the same clutch kit twice (Xtreme HD organic disc and plate on lightened flywheel). First install was great light pedal feel and noticeable noise under load in 2nd gear, but I didn't care since the clutch worked so well. Second time it was installed at the same dealership but a different person, unless I depress the pedal a cm or two, there's a slight squeal that sounds like belt slip. The throwout bearing is slowly failing as a result but I still have good clutch feel, and less noise under load this time around.
     
    Luckily I still have the pressure plate and disc from my first install, when I know im up for a new clutch (or can afford it), I'll be sending it to NPC to recondition the pressure plate, and make me a better clutch disc using the original as a template, if they don't already have a replacement part number ;)

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    Re: My gearbox issue.. please look. 2013/11/19 21:52:25 (permalink)
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    I know the turbos have a pedal adjustment, do the NAs not have this?
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    Re: My gearbox issue.. please look. 2013/11/19 22:47:46 (permalink)
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    Okay guys,
    5sgte: yes you can adjust pedal, however all this seems to do ius shorten the amount of length the clutch has to go from disengaged to engaged or lengthen it, it seems to keep the bite at the same point.

    However, went and saw the people i brought the clutch kit from, showed them a video recording i have that shows the noise and me depressing the clutch,
    and they said to email it to them right away, they will forward it to exedy and hopefully have me in this week to replace it under warranty..
    with a new sports tuff kit.

    Sounds as tho the throwout has collapsed, and could be a manafacturer fault, however if its not, the installer (my work- charlestown toyota) will be footing the bill due to a bad install.

    So thats a good outcome i think.

    until then he said just drive it, but tomorrow he should have an answer and should fit me in this week to pull it down and replace it.

    Will update about how i get on.
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    Re: My gearbox issue.. please look. 2013/11/20 04:55:24 (permalink)
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    Sounds like you've got some progress happening.  A little concerning, though, that you've been advised to keep driving it.
     
    Hopefully it turns out to be a faulty throwout bearing - a Toyota workshop not being able to manage a simple job like a clutch replacement doesn't make for good reading . . .

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    Re: My gearbox issue.. please look. 2013/11/20 07:04:33 (permalink)
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    My thoughts exactly Dennis!
    Toyota wont be touching the car again,
    the exedy supplier is doing the replacement,
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