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Re:Cooling options (Engine Bay, Intercooler)
2011/07/26 12:46:54
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Do you actually have heat soak problems when you're driving normally? or only on the dyno?
The air flow on an open road is very different, so you might not have those issues in real driving conditions?
dunno im guessing not only realised all this is happenign when it got tuned. i dont have the hand controller for the PFC so i dont know what IAT temps are also if i disconnect the temp sensor on the engine lid the berk fan will run for about 20sec and then trip the ecu if i leave the temp sensor connected the fan will come on when the sensor is triggered, run for a about the same 10-20 sec and then trip anyway. so regardless the fan ecu trips, im going to try removing the fan ecu connection and bridging two wires in there so that the fan runs continuosly (seen this on mr2oc) but the fan relay is still connected so im guessing it still going to trip???
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Re:Cooling options (Engine Bay, Intercooler)
2011/07/26 12:52:14
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Sorry, what do you mean by "trips the fan ECU all the time"?
also: "...but the problem I'm going to face is having a flat battery soon because of having the fan running constantly if the engines not running (when the cars just on ACC etc)"
unplugging the sensor will make the IC fan work only when IGN is on, not ACC.
Or am my misinterpreting this thing completely? Cheers
trip fan ecu = fans stop working and a RED fan light comes ON in the dash (engine compartment fan light) regardless of wethere the temp sensor is plugged or unplugged the fan will stop working after a while. then im basically steaming my engine lol if i get the chance i restart the car which resets the fan ECU and all is good for another 20 sec BAH. i have however managed to have the fan running continuosly a few times, im not too sure How or what happened. 
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Re:Cooling options (Engine Bay, Intercooler)
2011/07/26 12:52:37
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Sounds like you need to switch the fans on via a relay with a direct powed feed (available in the fuse box in engine bay), then you can use the factory fan wiring to just switch the relay, so nothing will trip. You can then later add something else to control this relay if thats what you want to do. Jaycar is good, but the people in there vary from being very helpful/knowledgable to not even knowing what they actually stock.
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Re:Cooling options (Engine Bay, Intercooler)
2011/07/26 12:54:51
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Also, you can set up a simple water spray onto the IC to keep things cooler.
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Re:Cooling options (Engine Bay, Intercooler)
2011/07/26 12:56:14
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well another option is to buy a davies craig fan, No-one i know running that fan has had this problem yet. i actually had that fan but sold it to someone here because i bough the berk cooler kit and it came with the fan and everything . while wer are here what if i changed the fan relay in the frunk to a higher capacity one . i dont want to fry things though. im not sure what the relay size is to begin with .
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Re:Cooling options (Engine Bay, Intercooler)
2011/07/26 12:58:47
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I was wondering if there was a way to run a pressure switch off boost pressure so that the fans only come on once a boost signal is detected and then keep running the fan continuosly until the car is switched OFF Yes, that is quite simple to do. Just setup a latching relay. You can either use a pressure switch to do this (various sources, even from a washing machine etc if you want to keep costs low), or I used a voltage comparoator IC and a couple of resistors and used the MAP sensor output to trigger my circuit (you can make the turn on point adjustable). I used this method to trigger the water injection. Cheers
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Re:Cooling options (Engine Bay, Intercooler)
2011/07/26 13:01:01
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I would still just have a dedicated relay to switch the fans, regardless of how you end up controlling it, no need to change the fan to a lower current one. Cheers
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Re:Cooling options (Engine Bay, Intercooler)
2011/07/26 13:06:53
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My spals in the lid are run via a relay from the main feed in the engine bay fuse box. This only comes on when acc are on and if i dont want them on i can simply unplug the adapter. My sidemount fan is running off std wiring for the factory fan and runs all the time as soon as ign is on as the sensor on the lid has been taken off.
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Re:Cooling options (Engine Bay, Intercooler)
2011/07/26 13:24:55
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artymr2
I was wondering if there was a way to run a pressure switch off boost pressure so that the fans only come on once a boost signal is detected and then keep running the fan continuosly until the car is switched OFF Yes, that is quite simple to do. Just setup a latching relay. You can either use a pressure switch to do this (various sources, even from a washing machine etc if you want to keep costs low), or I used a voltage comparoator IC and a couple of resistors and used the MAP sensor output to trigger my circuit (you can make the turn on point adjustable). I used this method to trigger the water injection.
Cheers
choice. i would like to do the above but use a Pressure switch whats a Latching relay explain to me as if your explaining to your GF unless she has a science degree or something lol.
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Re:Cooling options (Engine Bay, Intercooler)
2011/07/26 13:28:40
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My spals in the lid are run via a relay from the main feed in the engine bay fuse box. This only comes on when acc are on and if i dont want them on i can simply unplug the adapter. My sidemount fan is running off std wiring for the factory fan and runs all the time as soon as ign is on as the sensor on the lid has been taken off.
i want to run some sort of fan in the engine bay but dont want to loose the rainguard. the temp sensor weter its plugged or unplugged makes no difference in my car, as soon as the fan starts running about 20sec later it will trip the FAN ecu.
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Re:Cooling options (Engine Bay, Intercooler)
2011/07/26 13:36:22
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I will get some info re latchin relay, basically it stays on once triggered untill power is removed, which sounds like what you want to do. why do you want to wait for the fan to turn on after the engine starts? the issue with your fan tripping the ecu is easily solved with a relay, very simple to do if that is what you want. your fan obviously draws more current than the stock one and it generated an error code or what ever in the system.
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Re:Cooling options (Engine Bay, Intercooler)
2011/07/26 13:43:57
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- well id like to work or do some stuff on car and dont want to drain battery with this fans running for no apparent reason.
- plus my car doesnt get driven alot so dont want the battery going flat while tryign to start and then having to jump start the car.
- the noise annoys me when stationary (cant do much about that i guess)
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Re:Cooling options (Engine Bay, Intercooler)
2011/07/26 14:26:28
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This should do the trick, it completely bypasses the factory circuit. This will be "armed" when ignition is on. Will be turned on by either pressure switch or optional manual on switch (can be handy if you want to activate fans without having to hit boost, eg starting car and lining up at at the drags). will be turned off when ignition is turned off, or when optional manual off switch is pressed (can be handy if you want to kill fans without turning off the car). you will also need a fuse immedialtely downstream the 12v source (fuse rated to suit the fan/fans), and a small fuse at the ignition feed. cheers
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Re:Cooling options (Engine Bay, Intercooler)
2011/07/26 15:07:50
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pressure switch idea is dumb (sorry but it is) if you want to save your battery fit a time delay switch in the new wiring (the stock fan wiring should not be used even with a davies craig, look at the wiring differences for instant reasoning and why such as yourself others have had issues when cut and shut into stock wiring. Normally you can get away with it when soldered in properly. Wire new wires in correct guage to come on when on full ignition (with time delay) and thats about as good as it gets for a side mount intercooler fan imo. Pressure switches etc are fine for something like a water injection system (theyre so cheap i suggest you invest in one, even a basic one works great) but not on an unmonitored a2a intercooler fan setup. You don't want it to run stationary because its noisy? but you dont want heat soak either right? Sitting idling in traffic is probably the worst scenario when it comes to heat soak so forget not running it when stationary. Don't get rid of your "better" fan if infact it is better. The wiring parts for the fan should cost peanuts besides the labour to do it. With dyno's it is hard but it only takes a phone call/conversation before hand to sort something out re:- fans.
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Re:Cooling options (Engine Bay, Intercooler)
2011/07/26 15:44:22
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Trav, i think you misunderstood me Re - not workign when stationary i want the fan to work continuosly once its been turned ON i just didnt want it runnign when im about to turn the car ON as you have prob. already seen the fan draws a considerable load when ON and i didnt want that to affect my cars ability to start (weak battery) i also have gauges which draw some power because they do the opening ceremony etc. so all that affects the strating in some way once the cars started and running then any way the fan switches On doesnt bother Me. thats why i was looking into the boost pressure switch im NOT intending the fan to come ON and OFF while the car is on and off boost more like start car > let it idle > drive off > hit boost (fan comes ON and stays On until i turn the car OFF, so that means running all the time even idling in traffic etc etc) Hope that Makes sense, im Not intending on using it like an Intercooler spray. where the fan comes on and off while boost come on and off cheers
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