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Urgent - Clutch won't work, master cylinder gone?

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2012/03/18 14:07:19 (permalink)
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Urgent - Clutch won't work, master cylinder gone?

Driving home yesterday I took off normally at a set of lights and stalled it. After that I noticed that the clutch pedal now had a lot of free play in it, maybe 50% or more before I could engage the clutch. Things got worse over the next few minutes as i found it harder to change gears and eventually I wasn't able to change gears at all while the engine was running.

Basically now the clutch does not work at all when the car is running, so I had to stall it or turn the car off whenever I stopped and then start the car and take off in 2nd and leave it in that gear. Clutch fluid is a tiny bit low, but maybe only 15mm below the line and I haven't noticed any leaks at all. A new clutch was also installed approx 18 months ago. My mate reckons the clutch master cylinder is gone as he had the same thing happen to his car.

I'll most likely be taking my car to Midas tomorrow morning since its less than 2k's down the street in hopes its not a big job.
I'm located in essendon btw and my mr2 is a daily driver to and from work making me stranded without it. So any help or info would be greatly appreciated as I'm not very mechanically minded.

Steven

Edit - The clutch pedal is not stuck to the floor at the moment, it just has a lot of free play and you can only apply pressure to it when its about 2/3rds of the way down.
post edited by phung - 2012/03/18 14:17:38
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    MRVirgin
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    Re:Urgent - Clutch won't work, master cylinder gone? 2012/03/18 15:31:41 (permalink)
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    I think you're on the money. Master cylinder seals are shot
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    Re:Urgent - Clutch won't work, master cylinder gone? 2012/03/18 17:04:30 (permalink)
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    Cool, thanks mate. Is there much work involved in changing the master cylinder? Is there a how to or DIY somewhere because I can't seem to find anything..
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    Re:Urgent - Clutch won't work, master cylinder gone? 2012/03/18 17:09:12 (permalink)
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    Will pumping the pedal give you a bit of pressure? Check if the slave cylinder boot is wet.  Mine didn't lose much fluid but it is a long way from master to slave on the MR2 and it doesn't take much air to cause problems. the clutch being done recently indicates that the slave cylinder has been off recently and the actuation motion is probably on a slightly different part of the rig. Sounds to me as though air has got in the line somewhere, so there should be a converse leak of fluid. 
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    Re:Urgent - Clutch won't work, master cylinder gone? 2012/03/18 19:31:32 (permalink)
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    Just checked it out again before and there's pressure from about the halfway point onwards. However, from memory. When the car is running and in gear, the pedal is pretty much stuck all the way to the floor so can't put it into neutral
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    Re:Urgent - Clutch won't work, master cylinder gone? 2012/03/18 21:04:11 (permalink)
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    Still suggest the Slave Cyl, tho once the pedal sticks on the floor, you have a lot of air in the lines that has to bled off, a relatively simple job for a non trained operator with patience and two assistants...
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    Re:Urgent - Clutch won't work, master cylinder gone? 2012/03/18 21:25:19 (permalink)
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    Cool, thanks for the replies mate. Taking it to the shop tomorrow so I'll see what they have to say. Just trying to find out as much as possible and what's involved in fixing the problem..
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    Re:Urgent - Clutch won't work, master cylinder gone? 2012/03/18 22:59:34 (permalink)
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    I tried to buy a new clutch master cylinder not too long ago, and it was impossible.  Do keep us informed of your progress.
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    Re:Urgent - Clutch won't work, master cylinder gone? 2012/03/19 12:05:32 (permalink)
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    Ok so my mr2 drove fine when i went to take it to the shop today. No problems clutching or changing gears. Mechanic said it may just need a fluid flush or something along the lines of - if its a hot day and you're being a bit heavy on the brakes the fluid boils effecting the clutch...

    Didn't really understand what that ment but left it in their hands anyway to check it out.
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    Re:Urgent - Clutch won't work, master cylinder gone? 2012/03/19 12:40:31 (permalink)
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    As has already been suggested, check for wetness around the boots , and if no apparent leaks,  sounds like air is in the system.
     
    Before pulling any thing apart, first bleed the system properly.
     
    How long since the fluid was changed, was it done when the clutch work was done? That may need doing also.

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    Re:Urgent - Clutch won't work, master cylinder gone? 2012/03/19 12:51:23 (permalink)
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    Ok so they just buzzed me. Slave cylinder is leaking and fluid is dirty so needs a flush/change. Quoted $290 for the slave cylinder and $60 for the fluids. Happy to leave it for them to take care of as I've got no idea what I'm doing when it comes to this sorta stuff. Also was expecting a lot worse with the amount I've spent on repairs/services on my mr2 over the years..

    Thanks to everyone for all the replies and help. Muchly appreciated!!
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    Re:Urgent - Clutch won't work, master cylinder gone? 2012/03/19 13:05:32 (permalink)
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    Not that I need one now, but guess I was lucky this time around? Did my research last night for a clutch master cylinder - Found one on eBay in melbourne not far from me for $120, one on gorilla for less than half the price, and I think there was one more in the fs thread :)

    Edit - that was supposed to be quoted to 'flighters' reply
    post edited by phung - 2012/03/19 13:08:34
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    Re:Urgent - Clutch won't work, master cylinder gone? 2012/04/01 16:41:21 (permalink)
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    Here's something else to consider.
    The slave cylinder is a strange one in that it has TWO lines going into it. i.e. dual port slave cylinder.
     (see the picture)

     
     
    I've had one of the clutch lines fail on me TWICE (p/n:31483) The hard line cracked and started leaking. So i'm all too familiar with the clutch-less drives. those two clutch lines are solid lines that go between a bracket (that's bolted up with the FRONT engine mount) and the slave cylinder. It's just messy.

     After that, i decided to remove the STUPID dual port slave cylinder and replace it with a single port camry slave. (SV21)
    I then got a braided clutch line made up to bypass the stupid bracket and dual lines. I've been driving on it for about 18 months now. (including a trip from Sydney to Adelaide)
    The pedal feel hasn't changed much at all, the length/throw is a bit particular and the pedal needs to be adjusted to make sure it doesn't engage too far/not enough.
     
    I think the cylinder cost me about $40, and the line was about $90.

    Also... I still have my original dual port slave cylinder available for sale. I'm not going to use it anymore. 

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    Re:Urgent - Clutch won't work, master cylinder gone? 2012/04/02 20:24:36 (permalink)
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    Seems like its still leaking. Have lost about 10mm of fluid since last time and about putting my foot down on the clutch about 2/3rd of the way down is just free play. I'll be taking it back tomorrow.

    Thanks for the diagram & explanation mate. Will def let you know if I'm after any bits or advice. Cheers
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