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Re:The MegaSquirt Thread 2016/02/15 21:51:56 (permalink)
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ive been waiting for the specials to come up for HPA, but on apprenticeship wages, things are tighter than ever and the same old chest nut, no tuner to touch the MS which means il have to learn the wiring so I can wire in one that someone can actually tune, the engine has power to make and no one to unleash it...
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Re:The MegaSquirt Thread 2016/02/15 23:56:14 (permalink)
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Can the cost of the HPA lessons be split - i.e. are they pre-recorded or online classroom style?

What's the engine load difference of road vs. dyno runs? Given a safe and/or discreet location, could it be tuned on the fly from the passenger seat with low gear pulls?


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Re:The MegaSquirt Thread 2016/02/16 06:39:47 (permalink)
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not sure, I know they do some specials, there was $99 for the fundamentals of EFI and they threw in a couple more things, and forum access for a year....  just waiting for that to come back.. I signed up to 6 free lesson, all on different things, but still vague...
 
I have thought about what u said many times, but I dare say, the load in 4th gear at 7000rpm might be different than say 1st or second gear.. but its also been able to hold load points in certain rev ranges and realy needing the dyno to see the torque curve..
 
saying that, if u remember ken matsuda tuned his 4agte with out a dyno... 
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Re:The MegaSquirt Thread 2016/02/16 08:59:06 (permalink)
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saying that, if u remember ken matsuda tuned his 4agte with out a dyno... 

It ran pretty rough too.
I recently helped the new owner tune it on a dyno and it has made it a bit more top end power (now makes 191RWKW) and is smoother on power delivery. We were also able to identify the limitation of the intercooler setup and spot some areas in the torque curve that were able to be improved with timing changes.
 
Ken can chime in with his perspective on the car before and after the tuning since he drove it at the MTC2016.
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Re:The MegaSquirt Thread 2016/02/16 17:25:04 (permalink)
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I recently helped the new owner tune it on a dyno and it has made it a bit more top end power (now makes 191RWKW) and is smoother on power delivery. 

 
Aaron - How much time did you spend on the Dyno tweaking the tune, was it mainly WOT / high load tables that needed adjusting?
  
  
  
Dom - have you looked into the cost of hiring some Dyno time to tune yourself?  From what I've seen of the EPA free lessons and read about the place basic tuning of an NA car does not appear to be a complex process, just iterative and time consuming.  Personally my main concern would be not allowing enough safety margin while tuning / not being experienced enough to spot potentially fatal trends and responding fast enough (i.e. I keep reading about the importance of good knock detection, but never a definition of "good").
 
A quick Google reinforces Aaron's point above regarding the need for a Dyno Tune for ignition timing...
HaltechNotice I didn't mention ignition timing. The proper way to work out timing requires a dyno IMO. You can tune to the knock threshold on the road if you have a proper know detection system but it's still not as accurate as using the dyno. Regardless of dyno of road work start with timing figures known to be conservative, work out the fuel, then move to the timing. On the dyno you can advance timing until the power doesn't rise anymore or you find the knock threshold. If power quits rising before the knock threshold there is no need to add more timing and you are probably costing yourself power at that point with further advance. On the street you can't see the reaction between power and timing and can only (hopefully) know if you've reached the knock limit.
http://forums.haltech.com/viewtopic.php?t=1741

 
 


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Re:The MegaSquirt Thread 2016/02/16 18:20:57 (permalink)
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Aaron - How much time did you spend on the Dyno tweaking the tune, was it mainly WOT / high load tables that needed adjusting?



Approximately 2 hours on the dyno, this included:
- Fixing a big assed vacuum leak (Idled at 65kpa).
- Re-tuned the idle area to compensate for the lack of vacuum leak
- A quick rebuild of the AFR table (Simplified)
- Removing around 25% of the fuel from the VE tables, then using auto tune to get them dialed into the AFR table settings and then a couple of hand tweaks for a few cells.
- Tweaking the ignition table for more power/torque across the board in the high load sections while staying clear of detonation.
- Finding and fiddling with the boost controller
- Identifying the water to air intercooler was not keeping up after 6500rpm (MAT's rising rapidly)
- Added a MAT correction curve (Pulls timing once MAT's begin to exceed 65'c)
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