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Re:Toyota 86?
2012/03/07 18:34:33
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MRTurbo
-110 kW is not THAT bad. A stock JDM SW20 gen2 TURBO only puts down about 120 RWkW (yes I dyno'd mine in the past) - Its obvious that 98 fuel and 20+ years of engine wear take their toll....you still gotta drop ~10k into the engine bay to get a "warmed up SW20".
-Who cares about the MX5? its still essentially a hairdressers car.
Oh....I am deeply offended. I have an MX5 and have never dabbled in hairdressing. MX5's are a 'gentlemans' sports car. Good handling and very quiet compared to my previous SW20 which was a rip snorting noisy 'drivers' car. Both great cars in their own way. In saying that I have driven Mazda MX5 SP models which are turbocharged with 157kw standard and only weighing around 1000kg and they are quite impressive. 
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Re:Toyota 86?
2012/03/07 19:46:23
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who ever refers to these beautiful cars as a "hairdressers car" or "non proper sports car" definetely dont deserve to be driving an mr2, better yet to just hang round bogans and start driving commodore vn's, vs's and d like no offense :)
toyota intended d 86 for the young enthusiasts who cannot afford an expensive sports car which is why they intended to sell it round the $30k mark but $40k??? looks like it al ended up being "business as ussual" changing their market now to yuppies earning good money who probably knows f#%$ all about cars and just wants to drive round in a sports car. dont get me wrong i like d car a lot and was very excited to get one. but no not for $40k and hell no/not going to trade in my sdub for such.... :)
Why do people say "grow some balls"? Balls are weak and sensitive if you really wanna get tough, grow a vagina! Those things take a pounding!
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Re:Toyota 86?
2012/03/08 02:35:53
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Haha don't take it personally wiz fiz, when you think about it, it's an MR2 forum at the end of the day, biased answers are a given. In saying that I think MRTurbo was just being sarcastic...an MX-5 would be similar to an MR2 (that's why you got one yeh?), just so much less of a PITA to work on lol
And don't forget Tipsiduece, $40-60k back then was a lot of money...well more than now anyways due to inflation
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Re:Toyota 86?
2012/03/08 08:33:39
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Tree
Haha don't take it personally wiz fiz, when you think about it, it's an MR2 forum at the end of the day, biased answers are a given. In saying that I think MRTurbo was just being sarcastic...an MX-5 would be similar to an MR2 (that's why you got one yeh?), just so much less of a PITA to work on lol
Ha-ha....it's all tongue in cheek mate. I loved my MR2 and still miss it at times. When I retired about 4 years ago my missus wanted to drive it and be involved in club runs too but she couldn't drive a manual and I realised that I would never be able to teach her to drive a manual SW20 of all things so to keep her happy (as you do) I sold it and bought an automatic MX5. Very docile little car compared to the MR2 but still a lot of fun especially with the top down. Maybe I should now be looking for a part time job as a hairdresser eh? 
post edited by wiz - 2012/03/08 08:37:42
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Re:Toyota 86?
2012/03/08 10:11:17
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i reckon a supercharged MX5 is a very awesome little car... and theres not much around that could match it for smiles or speed in the twisty stuff... BUT, they do have a bit of an image problem...
and realistically anyone who thinks the 86 isn't going up against the mx5 is kidding themselves.
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Re:Toyota 86?
2012/03/08 10:25:11
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I saw a site last night that showed the comparisons in size and profile, the 86 is only a couple of inches longer than the mx5.
I had no idea it was that small, counts me out.
The golf gti looks like a nice car to me!
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Re:Toyota 86?
2012/03/08 10:30:01
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Re:Toyota 86?
2012/03/08 10:31:55
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Re:Toyota 86?
2012/03/08 10:55:41
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I would like to see how a manual Drive by wire feels like because i have to say in the auto , even with paddles the 2.4 in my company car Honda Euro , i have grown to HATE !
Nothing beats the instant reaction of a TB with cable.
In the very expensive cars its a different story
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Re:Toyota 86?
2012/03/08 11:08:22
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I really want one, I can see myself getting one in the future. I just need to test drive one!
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Re:Toyota 86?
2012/03/08 11:11:51
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I just could never bring myself to buy a brand new car like that and drive it the way it's meant to be driven. Happy to thrash the daylights out of a 20 year old car anyday.
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Re:Toyota 86?
2012/03/08 11:28:31
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Dudeman
I saw a site last night that showed the comparisons in size and profile, the 86 is only a couple of inches longer than the mx5.
I had no idea it was that small, counts me out.
The golf gti looks like a nice car to me!
coming form a background in classic mini's i wish it was even smaller. i could never see my self buying a brand new car period, as i don't ever see my self having the desired amount of cash flow to justify the horrendous depreciation that comes with buying brand new. but i would like to own one, well test drive first.......
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Re:Toyota 86?
2012/03/08 11:56:58
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and the golf comes in at 4213mm in length....
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Re:Toyota 86?
2012/03/08 12:44:00
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^ yes but its a four seater, not 2 + 2.
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Re:Toyota 86?
2012/03/08 13:02:31
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i think you crossed the line here, that rules out any modern rally homoligation car since the 80's as not being a true "sports car" along with many other cars sold commercially as "sports" cars.
what does "equipped for racing", encompass? 4 wheels brakes and a steering wheel? you can race any car.
so much speculation surrounding the 86, and so much hype. which is generally a bad thing. hype talks it up to much and then it fails to meet expectations. now everyone buying one thinks it makes them a "driving enthusiast/race car driver"
You said it yourself - rally car. A 'sports' car and 'rally car' are two different cars, so yes I'm ruling out 'rally cars' in this, which includes the WRX. IMO the 86 fits the above definition of a sports car, better than the WRX. The MX5 may have a bad image but I never said they were ****e and from all accounts I've heard they handle brilliantly and are so much fun despite not having 500 kW, which the 86 doesnt have either. if you've ever been in or driven the old AE86 sprinter with a 4AGE driven hard, the 86 is the successor, so I think the hype is perfectly justified.
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