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RE: Distributorless Ignition for Power FC and Gen3 ECU
2011/02/01 10:54:45
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if anyone has some drawings or samples of the dizzy cover i could get work to make some for us. can also price some up for us as well
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RE: Distributorless Ignition for Power FC and Gen3 ECU
2011/03/01 12:06:24
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i can always get a x4 box ignitor altho i do have a x6 sitting here but unsure if i can use it
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RE: Distributorless Ignition for Power FC and Gen3 ECU
2011/01/05 10:57:03
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quote: Originally posted by nuk1ear
any news on those dizzy caps?
Hi, Noone of us have heard anything yet. If I havnt heard anything within a week i will send an email and ask how the manufacturing is going. quote: Originally posted by just_ace
query as to why it won't work with a gen2? i mean the dizzy's/CAS are the same?
Luan gave you the short answer. here is the more technical one: Gen2 has an igniter that controls the dwell while the gen3 lets the ecu take care of it. The supra igniter uses a dumb igniter just like the gen3 (ecu controlled dwell) which makes it a good choice for this setup as its a toyota igniter which also uses the IGF signal to make the ecu happy. quote: Originally posted by piggy
hi this seems like a very interesting setup anyone know if this set up would work with a microtech ecu?
cheers chris
Im not familiar with that ecu but if it can read VR signals from the stock dizzy to control ignition timing and sends out a 0-5V signal as ignition trigger then yes my box can be used with it. My box will work with all ecus that controls dwell and sends out a 5V signal as trigger to the igniter. But if the microtech ecu already have 4 ignition outputs my box will not be needed as my box is there for splitting the single oem ign signal into 4 separate ones. Regards Jimmy
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RE: Distributorless Ignition for Power FC and Gen3 ECU
2011/01/05 11:41:01
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interesting, so does that mean a gen3 ign won't work on a gen2 motor? as it'll be leaving the ecu to determine the dwell but the ecu is excpecting the IGN to do it?
yes the microtech runs off the stock dizzy, normally they are configured to run with the stock components and unless specified will only come with the 1 ign output(lt8s)
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RE: Distributorless Ignition for Power FC and Gen3 ECU
2011/01/05 11:47:34
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Ok, well then yes my box will work with the microtech LT8S. I assume this Ecu will not need to receive the IGF signal (ignition confirm signal) from the igniter? If so you can use whatever igniter you want that triggers on 5V signals, has 4 or more channels and has a tacho output, unless the microtech has a tacho output? (then the igniter doesn't need that either).
About the gen2/gen3 igniter... guess why people using the gen3 ecu/power fc on a gen2 engine/igniter gets a weird rev limit around 5k rpm :) The gen3 sends out a long trigger signal as it controlls dwell.. this long signal overlaps the internal dwell control in the gen2 igniter at higher rpm causing this weird rev limit at 5k. If you are on a gen3 power fc ecu with a gen2 igniter you need the datalogit to lower the dwell as the gen2 igniter only needs a very short signal to trigger the spark as the igniter takes care of the rest.
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RE: Distributorless Ignition for Power FC and Gen3 ECU
2011/01/05 13:02:09
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microtech does not require IGF signal, and it should have 4 ign outputs which are triggered with 5v. Regards to dwell, not sure if the microtech allows u to modify dwell as its usually hard built into the unit from factory according to ur setup (i think). Also, dont think the microtech has a tach output (correct me here, just going off an MT8 which doesn't)
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RE: Distributorless Ignition for Power FC and Gen3 ECU
2011/01/05 15:09:57
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it all depends on the model, i sold my lt8's and all the manuals i had for it, but it only had one ign output wire as it was originally config for the 3sgte engine and hence ran off the stock ign components.
my tacho would still work with the lt8 and the lt8 hand set would display rpm.
but it had the option if you asked for it when ordering to have multiple ign outputs
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RE: Distributorless Ignition for Power FC and Gen3 ECU
2011/01/05 19:49:33
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yeah exactly, like i said it depends what car the microtech was setup for originally and what sort of ignition system. Thats one of the reasons why they annoy me so much.
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RE: Distributorless Ignition for Power FC and Gen3 ECU
2011/01/05 22:51:18
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hi it looks like it was set up for a 3sgte but ill have a look when i get home to be sure
cheers chris
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RE: Distributorless Ignition for Power FC and Gen3 ECU
2011/01/02 04:44:57
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Installed the optional cap today as it arrived :) Big improvment! In the end im glad this cap was made, frees up space and looks better with the kit. /Jimmy
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RE: Distributorless Ignition for Power FC and Gen3 ECU
2011/07/14 21:36:06
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Hi, I have the power FC, can your unit with with the GEN IV Caldina COP with existing crank and camshaft sensors?
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RE: Distributorless Ignition for Power FC and Gen3 ECU
2011/11/23 17:42:59
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Just want to bump this and also make a note that i only have 6 of these left now (4 if a guy in finland comes through and decides to pay) Regards Jimmy
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RE: Distributorless Ignition for Power FC and Gen3 ECU
2011/12/11 13:59:40
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Does that mean you won't be making anymore once they are all gone?
1992 SW20 GT ... and loving it...
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RE: Distributorless Ignition for Power FC and Gen3 ECU
2011/12/19 22:21:04
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Hi, sorry for the late reply, im not watching this board everyday :) If im going to keep this price i need to order parts for 20 kits. If i can get a group buy with around 10 people paying a deposit then there shouldnt be a problem ordering and making another batch of 20 units. So a group buy with 10 people and i think i will be on it again. I will however always support the people who have already bought my kit, i will not disappear :) btw, one more buyer now so im down to 4 units for sale now (keeping one as a spare box)
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RE: Distributorless Ignition for Power FC and Gen3 ECU
2012/02/06 15:30:27
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Not sure if this is the best place to put this, but it might come in handy. We can test and repair the 89621-22020 ignitors here. I've done a few successfully now. Fast turn-around time. I guess I shouldn't advertise here, so message me for contact details if interested. We might be able to run the computers and everything else here on the bench too, but haven't tried the ECU of this particular vehicle yet. There seems to be a lot of demand for this one.
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