2013/11/27 09:54:41
Fab4mr2
Really looking forward to hearing more on this proposed project. There is someone on MR2oc.com doing some SC12 rebuild work as well, but they gave up on trying to do the case bearings as being too expensive. They do however, do some nice work on the pulley's and the pulley bearings. You might want to look at what they are doing on those parts to see if you can incorporate that into your work as well. If the case bearings can be done though I might look for a second hand SC12, pull it apart, and ship the necessary parts to have your work done, if the shipping doesn't kill me, lol. Would be worth it, to me, to have a near perfect SC12 in the '89 SC I have otherwise restored.
2013/11/27 10:03:06
spike10000
David, you need to show us this 89 one day!!
 
Were the case bearings legitimately expensive, or only deemed expensive in the eyes of the commonplace AW11 owner?
2013/11/27 10:28:43
ozhummer
I've found bearings that may work.. they are 2mm larger than the oem (OD), ID is 17 so the shaft size will not need to alter .. I'm having issues finding a machine shop who has accurate enough machinery to CNC the housing .. the tolerance is very small 0.01mm max!
 
2013/11/27 12:37:14
Knightrous
If you get some machine work done, I'd look into a new way of retaining the bearings to avoid the whole epoxy injection method.
2013/11/27 13:02:36
ozhummer
Epoxy is clever, but I'm planning on getting a rebate cut in the housing so a retaining surclip can be used - similar to the idler bearings (which spin faster too).. The bearings are considerably narrower so there is room for this.
Ironically the rear bearings are in most cases ok - they have very little load and run completely sealed with the high quality gear lubrication which also acts as a coolant- I think they may be an everlasting item. The main load bearing is also the smallest - it runs dry and has little protection from dirt. This one and the one next to it (this has petrolium based lub - or it did when it left the factory) die, so are the ones I'm looking to replace.
 
As for teflon coating - if you takes out the rotors and look at the lobes you will see that they are scrapped and worn. 3M have an awsome teflon product that is almost DIY - One big problem with teflon is you are trying to get something that doesn't stick to anything, to stick to the rotor .. The 3M product contains an adhesive agent to you dont need to bead blast the primary surface .. It may be possible to lightly sand the lobe ends, apply the coating and seal it in a domestic oven (slowly to temp and slowly cooled, must be fan forced to create an even temp) - I also have a selection of computer controlled IR ovens used for the manufacture of SMT PCBS - with these I can create a heat/time profile. Teflon bakes at about 250 degrees so not too hot!
 
I don't think we will be able to completely rebuilt the SC12 back to factory spec, but if we can do it enough to get another 10 years (maybe with a loss of half a psi) and for less than $100 then I think we all would be happy with that!...
 
The other possibility is to source an equivalent spec SC .. I see Rotrex (They make awesome SC units) have just released a little one that is clutch operated - identical to our SC12 - If the volumetric/rpm characteristics are similar to the SC12 then it would be simple to fit it as they are the size of a small alternator.
 
 
 
2013/11/27 14:02:59
Fab4mr2
Lots of great information. Being able to make them last even for just another 10 years, or so, as you stated would not be bad at all. If you can actually get this accomplished for anywhere near $100 I think it would be a great deal. I also think the guy on MR2oc.com probably expected it to come out much higher in order to replace the bearings, plus he didn't even figure on trying to treat the lobes at all. The 3M material really sounds interesting.
2013/11/27 14:47:45
maj
Wait for knightrous to have more time so he can CAD up a replacement housing for the bearings ;)
 
Would be interesting if we could get a few units to trial to see if you can make the bearings more serviceable, run them on a machine to see if they last and don't produce excess vibration etc. Then deal with recoating teflon surfaces.
2013/11/27 14:54:17
ozhummer
No Need to cad up the housing - just need to open them up to 47mm. I have the replacement bearings now - Stainless steel fully sealed, working speed is up to 40,000 RPM - these are high quality units and are so close to std for size.
 
If I can get the housing 'eased' out I will get it together this weekend and fab a test bench using a spare induction motor.
 
I'll try to post the results this weekend ...
2013/11/27 16:25:38
Knightrous
maj
Wait for knightrous to have more time so he can CAD up a replacement housing for the bearings ;)



Here is one I did earlier...

2013/11/27 19:08:42
worldwalker
Looking forward to your bearing outcome. After finally getting my AW11 finished and restored back to factory (bar the pulley upgrade and manual conversion) the only problem I have is the SC bearings. I have a spare SC I haven't bothered to try but I'll be looking into that next and replacing the bearings on the current SCer once the spare is fitted.
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