2014/03/17 11:03:04
Deco
Okay, too easy. I'll pop it off to have a look. 

Im also having trouble finding the hose that goes to the crank case from the catch can. 
The only hose I have been able follow goes into a hard metal line that then ends up finishing at the bottom of the engine bay with this black fitting in the corner. 


I was tinkering a moment ago and found some dried oil on the inside of one of the intake fittings which comes from the top of the valve cover. I also had a look at that black looking container that sits in between the valve cover and intake pipe and there seems to be fresh oil in there. I guess this could be one source of my problem as you guys have previously mentioned?



2014/03/17 11:23:12
Mrskylighter
The oil return line from the catch can is short and connects to the head quite close by. I simply removed the line from the can and blew air into using my mouth to confirm it wasn't blocked.
If you try this method have a flavoured drink on hand as old oil tastes foul :)
 
Does the black intake piping have a lot of gunk in it as well? You should be able to see inside the pipe where the catch can line connects to check if the oily stuff is streaming out of it.
2014/03/17 12:28:12
Deco
Haha okay cheers mate. 
Here are the 3 lines I have coming from the catch can. 
The red line heads behind metal protective shield on the firewall and assume it is connected to the fuel evaporative system as the line smells of fuel.
The blue/purple line comes from the bottom of the catch can and goes to that black fitting that I mentioned above which is a dead end. 
The green line is connected to a sensor which sits on a bracket that is bolted to catch can itself. 
Im guessing this has been incorrectly done?


Inside the intake pipe itself there is a lot a black soot which was from the last turbo but nothing fresh from what I can see. I dont have a line connecting from the catch can to the intake pipe. The only two connecting lines I have is the one I mentioned before which is in yellow below and the other that is in red seems to go under the intake manifold; where it goes from there..I have no idea. 

 
2014/03/17 12:44:56
purple5ive
you have got the catch can and charcoal canister mixed up
the yellow canister (is the oil catch can) and the yellow line is the line that recirculates the gas coming out of it into the intake
the red line doesnt go to the manifold from memory. its the AC idle up valve. you have traced i past where it goes and confused it with another wire instead of a hose by the looks of it..
 
the hose you need to check is the yellow one going into the intake, see if theres fresh oil coming from that..
i would also clean the intake piping and make sure there no soot to start with, makes checkign things easier, not to mention your sucking all that into your intercooler which will coat the insides of it with oila nd reduce cooling efficiency due to less heat transfer..
cheers
2014/03/17 12:45:16
Mrskylighter
That black box with the three hoses connected (highlighted in yellow) is the catch can.
 
The other thing you might have been referring to is the charcoal canister which is part of the fuel system. It has a connection to the fuel tank vent line, two vacuum hoses to the throttle body and another which I think is a fresh air inlet to the canister.
2014/03/17 13:16:15
Deco
purple5ive
you have got the catch can and charcoal canister mixed up
the yellow canister (is the oil catch can) and the yellow line is the line that recirculates the gas coming out of it into the intake



Oops my bad  
Thats a relief as I thought something was seriously not right there for a moment. 

Mrskylighter
That black box with the three hoses connected (highlighted in yellow) is the catch can.
 
The other thing you might have been referring to is the charcoal canister which is part of the fuel system. It has a connection to the fuel tank vent line, two vacuum hoses to the throttle body and another which I think is a fresh air inlet to the canister.



Ahh gotcha. 

Having looked at the correct area now. The end of the pipe connected to the intake piping is a bit gunky much like the photo I posted further up of the intake pipe fitting. The end of the pipe that connects to the catch can has a light film of oil in it...but nothing too excessive. I gave the pipe a good blow out with the compressor just in case. 




As you can see there is oil present but it doesnt seem to be excessive. 


2014/03/17 13:31:31
purple5ive
that looks normal, if oil is dripping out of it then its starting to look bad..
i have a feelign the oil in front of the turbo your seeing is from the older one and hasnt been cleaned off properly..
clean it properly and then have a check regularly to see if its happenign again..
 
also i dont see any oil from the bov either (cause its been vented to atmo and doesnt look like oil spray anywhere) so might be ok
 
clean the pipe and have a look after that is my suggestion..
cheers
2014/03/17 13:33:41
Mrskylighter
I have another possible theory in regards to the crud in the turbo inlet.
Are any of the air inlet hoses/piping damaged or split anywhere? Even a tiny split will be letting in unfiltered air which when mixed with small amounts of oily air could form a cruddy thick sludge type effect. 
I'd be checking very thoroughly every single pipe joint, hose, hose clamp, catch can setup (inlcuding pipes) for a crack or split.
 
With your old busted up turbo I took the compressor cover of it and managed to clean off all the same looking thick crud from it.  The compressor wheel is absolutely destroyed (extremely worn on the edges) Like if a brand new wheel has a diameter of 48.1mm your broken turbo comp wheel was 42mm or something.
It appears something more than just oily air is being sucked in to wear away the metal blades of the comp wheel. 
 
2014/03/17 14:05:04
purple5ive
good point nick.
i also happened to see what i think is a pic of a Mushroom FOAM type filter (like the ones HKS make) in the 3rd pic..
if thats the case it will let in a lot more dirt, mix that with little bit of blowby oil and there could be the black oil issue.. not to mention wear on the compressor
do you live in an area with a lot of dust (like a country road) if so these could all be related 
2014/03/17 14:33:18
Deco
purple5ive
that looks normal, if oil is dripping out of it then its starting to look bad..
i have a feelign the oil in front of the turbo your seeing is from the older one and hasnt been cleaned off properly..
clean it properly and then have a check regularly to see if its happenign again..
 
also i dont see any oil from the bov either (cause its been vented to atmo and doesnt look like oil spray anywhere) so might be ok
 
clean the pipe and have a look after that is my suggestion..
cheers


Thanks for all you help. I'll clean it and keep an eye on it. 

Mrskylighter
I have another possible theory in regards to the crud in the turbo inlet.
Are any of the air inlet hoses/piping damaged or split anywhere? Even a tiny split will be letting in unfiltered air which when mixed with small amounts of oily air could form a cruddy thick sludge type effect. 
I'd be checking very thoroughly every single pipe joint, hose, hose clamp, catch can setup (inlcuding pipes) for a crack or split.
 
With your old busted up turbo I took the compressor cover of it and managed to clean off all the same looking thick crud from it.  The compressor wheel is absolutely destroyed (extremely worn on the edges) Like if a brand new wheel has a diameter of 48.1mm your broken turbo comp wheel was 42mm or something.
It appears something more than just oily air is being sucked in to wear away the metal blades of the comp wheel. 
 


Thats a fair point. I'll go over it with a fine tooth comb and see what I come up with. 
As for the turbo....it doesnt surprise me that its in that sort of condition as the filter on the half cut was rusted and the foam was falling to pieces. 

purple5ive
good point nick.
i also happened to see what i think is a pic of a Mushroom FOAM type filter (like the ones HKS make) in the 3rd pic..
if thats the case it will let in a lot more dirt, mix that with little bit of blowby oil and there could be the black oil issue.. not to mention wear on the compressor
do you live in an area with a lot of dust (like a country road) if so these could all be related 



You're right. The half cut I got came with a HKS mushroom filter. It was well past its life as the mesh was rusted and the foam was brittle and falling to bits. That filter went straight in the bin and didnt make it into my car.
I live on a small property but the most dust I come into contact with is on my driveway other than that I only drive on sealed roads. 

I think I will give that crankcase breather a go and eliminate all oil going into the intake pipe. Also I will get myself a urethane pod filter to make sure im not getting any unfiltered air into the turbo and I will clean up oil inside the turbo and keep an eye on it to see if it returns.

If that doesnt solve the issue is it possible that the oil return pipe from the turbo that goes to the sump could be blocked or backing up into the turbo causing oil to pass over the seals and therefore leaking into the intake? 




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