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2008/10/02 22:27:48
-Totenkopf-
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2008/10/02 23:15:30
roryh
Jason - what clutch are you using? How much power did it take to chew up your OS - Tristan went through a few as well I think.
2008/10/02 23:50:48
dylmrt
quote:
Originally posted by roryh
[br]Jason - what clutch are you using? How much power did it take to chew up your OS - Tristan went through a few as well I think.



You gotta remember tristan is a massive hoon too tho [:x)]
2008/11/02 00:38:35
MR2QIK
quote:
Originally posted by roryh
[br]Jason - what clutch are you using? How much power did it take to chew up your OS - Tristan went through a few as well I think.



I'm using an OS-Giken twin plate (TS2B). I never chew them up, I've just worn them out. They don't seem to cope with high rpm launching on cars approaching the 300rwkw mark using grippy tyres. On the street it holds up well provided I don't get too aggressive, but on the strip with good tyres & lotsa rpm, I'll see plenty of clutch slip (which is a limitation). It'll be great for a track car.

Tristan is a major hoon! He doesn't just kill them, he warps them too (even the the R2CD version). I don't even think a Tilton could cope with his kind of abuse. I recently warped a twin plate too, so I'm more careful now.
2008/11/02 00:53:08
-Totenkopf-
Its more the design that causes them to warp. All the Jap clutches run quite thin friction material & discs. These can't soak up alot of heat, which causes them to heat up excessively and warp when slipped. If you've got to the stage where your clutch is slipping on launch you either need to look at a more aggressive friction material or increasing the clamp pressure of the diaphram. The first option will reduce driveability whilst the second option will increase pedal pressure required. You can have replacement discs custom made to assist in alleviating the problem of warping discs. Also, high quality SG cast floater & pressure plates assist in alleviating the problem of warping these items, as the SG cast iron is more thermally stable then the steel plates that are used in alot of clutches. Even the tilton uses steep pressure & floater plates. One clutch manufacturer that comes to mind that uses SG cast iron plates are the German (I think?) Sachs items.

Tilton, believe it or not, is not the bee's knees of clutches itself, and actually stole the design from AP racing clutches (UK company). Tilton brag about being the first manufacturers to produce a carbon carbon cluch, however, what they don't tell you is that it was an utter failure. There was a lawsuit over the stealing of intellectual property between these two companies.

Oh, and as Jason said, its the strip that eats up your clutch. For a circuit car, an overly aggressive clutch isn't really required. As long as you have something that holds the static torque your making, you're more or less fine. Drag launches are what really lunch on clutches.

I've been looking at the carbonetics carbon clutch (its not carbon carbon however) but after reading a bit, I've a couple of concerns. Main one is the need to heat the clutch up before giving it a hard launch (or it'll tend to just slip) by slipping the clutch for 3 seconds, with 30 second pauses, a number of times. Seems like a huge freak around to me. I've also heard a couple of stories of their longetivity not being what they are meant to be, though this may have been due to incorrect break in (Yes, they have a specific 2000km breakin time). I'm assuming they would also be very expensive to have rebuilt when they wear out, as new floater & pressure plates would be required, as well as the friction plates, I don't think you can really just machine down these plates like in normal clutches, where you usually get 3-4 uses out of them before they are below spec.
2008/11/02 10:21:03
MR2QIK
I'm iffy on carbon clutches too. The manufacters state it requires a warm up before you see it's full clamping force, while some owners say it's really not that bad. I'd rather not risk it, it doesn't sound suited to the strip or street, but it's definetely great for a high hp track car (just like if you had hardcore brake pads that require warm up). Besides, when you're at the strip, your car's sitting doing nothing until it's called up, even then you only get a burnout which prolly isn't enough to warm up the clutch. Launch is where a good ET starts, so a slipping clutch is a forfeited run.

Btw, you don't machine down those clutches, they almost always result in premature & uneven wear. You just go straight for a rebuild kit.
2008/11/02 10:57:39
-Totenkopf-
Thats right, for a good drag launch, as I said, your meant to warm it up by slipping it several times for a small duration. All the mobs I've seen also seem to recommend a triple plate (not available for mr2) for drag use. I don't know if there is a reason for this or not. From what I can make out, carbons hold the power once they warm, but alot of slippage can occur on engagement. Although they are more durable then a metallic, slipping will still bring their life to a premature ending. Im thinking just the clutchmaster unit as I can have it rebuild here in Australia. The Carbonetics or RPS Carbon Carbon will be more of a hassle to have rebuilt. With the RPS clutch I think you've got to send ti back to the manufacturer (in USA). That'd be a ba$1ard.
2008/11/02 11:25:10
MR2QIK
I'll put it simply, free of technical mumbo jumbo.....If Clutchmaster was good enough for Talent, it's good enough for you
2008/11/02 11:32:34
-Totenkopf-
I can also get them cheap (<$1500). I've contacted them already and they are quick to respond. There flywheel works on the 5S-FE crank and they've been more then helpful with all my enquiries.
2008/08/03 15:47:27
Apexii22
whats the update? she on the road yet??
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