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CBulen
MR2 Enthusiast

USA

14 Posts

Posted - 30/11/2009 :  08:28:38  Show Profile
Some of you may be aware that I am working on a V8 swap into the 1991-1999 MR2. Please check out my site for more details.

I have some questions for Australians (I am in the USA):

1) are 1992-1999 Cadillac Northstar V8 engines available from your local wrecking yards? THese engines came in the Eldorado, Seville, Allante, and Deville. Please note that in 1992, they were less common, so 1993-1999 is the most common. The Northstar was redesigned in 2000, and is less desirable for many reasons.

2) is the 2006 Pontiac G6 GTP 3.9L transmission (actually a front wheel drive, 6 speed transaxle) available from your local GM dealers?

3) This transaxle is available on eBay for around $300 (new) plus shipping. It weighs about 125 lbs without a box. What do you estimate shipping would be from the USA to Austraila--I am just looking for a ballpark figure, in other words, is it even worth considering?

4) are the axles (left, right and center or intermediate axle) for the 2006 Pontiac G6 GTP 3.9L available from your local GM dealer?

5) was the 1984-1988 Pontiac Fiero available in Australia, and if so, are there any Fiero owners there doing V8 swaps (and do they have a forum)?

THanks everyone


CBulen
see my V8 in a 2nd gen MR2 swap project: http://www.MV8R.com

surok
MR2 Deity

Albania

5427 Posts

Posted - 30/11/2009 :  08:40:21  Show Profile  Click to see surok's MSN Messenger address
no, no, hundreds of dollars, no, there are a few in the country, but i doubt they have a forum. they might be on a US forum though..

Kôsoku bosu
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Whore of Babylon
MR2 Guru

Australia
SUPPORTER
2745 Posts

Posted - 30/11/2009 :  09:00:24  Show Profile  Click to see Whore of Babylon's MSN Messenger address
no

no

No, We dont have GM casue they suck :P

No

No

None of that stuff is avalible in australia.... Why the freak arnt you on the yank mr2 forums?


http://mrtwo.mine.nu/photo_album_cat.asp?sqldtl=1578
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CBulen
MR2 Enthusiast

USA

14 Posts

Posted - 30/11/2009 :  09:01:19  Show Profile
Thank you for the answers.

I asked about the Fieros because my V8 swap is derived from the USA Fiero guys' V8 swap.

Here is how things look:


so, unless there is an Aussie V8 and transaxle similar in size, it appears there may not be a market for my book in Australia.


CBulen
see my V8 in a 2nd gen MR2 swap project: http://www.MV8R.com

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CBulen
MR2 Enthusiast

USA

14 Posts

Posted - 30/11/2009 :  09:02:54  Show Profile
I am on the MR2OC forum, the MR2.com forum, The MOtorgeek (Audi performance) forum, and TwoBrutal as well.

Where would the sense be in posting these questions to any of the USA forums?

I am asking on the Aussie forum to see if you guys would be interested or not.


CBulen
see my V8 in a 2nd gen MR2 swap project: http://www.MV8R.com


Edited by - CBulen on 30/11/2009 09:07:16
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surok
MR2 Deity

Albania

5427 Posts

Posted - 30/11/2009 :  09:26:30  Show Profile  Click to see surok's MSN Messenger address
ho does this stack up against a 2gr-fe swapped mk2?
you have put in a lot of effort into updating your site with the details and walkthrough of this swap.
have you got it running yet?
for this to work in australia we could fill a continer with engines and transaxles and all the required stuff and bring the over liek thaat. but i dont know how easy it is to get an overseas engine in your car registered here.

Kôsoku bosu

Edited by - surok on 30/11/2009 09:31:25
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CBulen
MR2 Enthusiast

USA

14 Posts

Posted - 30/11/2009 :  09:31:18  Show Profile
More Torque, and HP. More Torque and HP potential due to aftermarket.

No VVT to deal with, so aftermarket ECU's are easier.

Smog compliance is easier (in my part of USA) if using a pre-OBD2 Nortstar.

V8 sounds

Harder to fit than the 2GR (I am guessing here).


CBulen
see my V8 in a 2nd gen MR2 swap project: http://www.MV8R.com


Edited by - CBulen on 30/11/2009 09:32:13
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wiz
MR2 Master

Australia

508 Posts

Posted - 30/11/2009 :  09:33:01  Show Profile
Sorry CBulen---but from the wording of your original post I, like many other guys on the forum did not know you were trying to flog a book. I personally thought that maybe you were coming to Australia to live and do a personal conversion here for yourself.
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mr_ken
MR2 Scholar

Japan

473 Posts

Posted - 30/11/2009 :  09:53:31  Show Profile
v8 is how mr2 SHOULD have been from factory... although, i really dont know about these northstar v8s and such.

my aw11 with a 4.3 "lexus" v8 would be awesome. however i can only dream

seriously though, dont listen to anything i say, i havnt driven a car in two years.
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Ricardo
MR2 Scholar

343 Posts

Posted - 30/11/2009 :  09:55:42  Show Profile
quote:
it appears there may not be a market for my book in Australia.



None whatsoever. None of what you'd need for the swap was ever sold here.
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kameleon
MR2 Deity

Australia

8914 Posts

Posted - 30/11/2009 :  17:58:53  Show Profile
quote:
Originally posted by wiz

Sorry CBulen---but from the wording of your original post I, like many other guys on the forum did not know you were trying to flog a book. I personally thought that maybe you were coming to Australia to live and do a personal conversion here for yourself.



agreed.

with regards to a book, surely there wouldn't be many sales for your outlay? especially since most info is online atm?

one day in the future id like to do a swap also, but im not keen on the northstar myself.


IDB 65 butler street richmond call 94285446

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evo65m
MR2 Master

Australia

582 Posts

Posted - 30/11/2009 :  20:50:57  Show Profile
If you want to play with Agriculture then so be it. But if you want to go fast use a 2lt with Turbo and you wont look back



Cheers
Daniel

When Fast is not enough
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mr_ken
MR2 Scholar

Japan

473 Posts

Posted - 07/12/2009 :  13:02:37  Show Profile
im going to be honest, and not want to sound like a dick, but here goes.... in australia we dont get a lot of american cars or parts, i think most things in america stay in america rather than be exported.

as for v8 mr2, its one of the best ideas ever, and how they SHOULD have been from the factory, but, PLEASE do not ruin it with the northstar engine... a a PROPERLY built supercharged 3sge would be better as well as easier.

i LOVE v8 mr2, but personaly would only use the audi v8 4.2 or a 4.3l toyota v8 in my aw11.

seriously though, dont listen to anything i say, i havnt driven a car in two years.
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rock
MR2 Scholar

Australia

153 Posts

Posted - 07/12/2009 :  15:10:22  Show Profile
i would never understand why people fit a larger motor in a tight small engine bay that's already a in pain the arse to work on with the original engine in its place!!!!!!!!!!!!!???????????????
anyone else agree with me?

Rocks Performance Supplements

http://stores.ebay.com.au/Rocks-Performance-Supplements
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Dangerous Beans
MR2 Scholar

Australia

112 Posts

Posted - 07/12/2009 :  15:23:38  Show Profile
quote:
Originally posted by rock

i would never understand why people fit a larger motor in a tight small engine bay that's already a in pain the arse to work on with the original engine in its place!!!!!!!!!!!!!???????????????
anyone else agree with me?


They do it cause they can (or might be able to). It's kind of like mountain climbing, but more like sticking pots/buckets/lampshades on your head.
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CBulen
MR2 Enthusiast

USA

14 Posts

Posted - 07/12/2009 :  16:50:59  Show Profile
The Audi V8 won't work in a transverse arrangement because the engine has many features that preclude running axles along side of it. On my site, you can see photos of Mike H's longitudinal Audi V8 MR2 project. He made it work by putting in longitudinally, and coupling it to an 01X Audi transaxle, cutting the passenger to engine bulkhead, shortening the gas tank, cutting the rear crossmember in two, and installed a large U shaped piece in the center of it, and creating a new crossmember to reinforce the section of body that he cut that is an integral crossmember to the body, located aft of the gas tank. This was a huge re-engineering of the car, something I am avoiding.

My first choice was the Toyota 1UZ-FE v8. Two people on two projects have attempted to fit one in a mark2, but failed to consider that the 1UZ is 27inches long (686mm), which means that the front pulley of the engine would end up right where the right side MR2 hub needs to be. The 3S-GTE, and probably the other 4 cylinder motors used in the MR2, is 20 inches (508mm) by comparison. The E153 is 16 inches (406mm) and so the total drivetrain width is 36inches (914mm) when mounted transversely in a stock MR2 turbo).

The Northstar has the advantage in that manual transaxles exist that pretty much bolt up (no adaptor needed). The Northstar + GM 6 speed combined are 1.25 inches wider than the 3S-GTE + E153 trans (total width is 946.5mm). The Northstar+6 speed fit with minimal modification to the body and structure.

I have recently received a set of custom axles that I designed, to get power from the GM gearbox to the MR2 hubs. These axles and a flywheel adaptor are the only machined parts required.

Originally, I tried putting my Audi in transversely, and it is just not going to work.

I see that you guys don't like GM. The Northstar has had its share of problems, like its infamy for headgasket failures, compounded with soft aluminum at the head bolt holes, but it is possible to deal with these.

Simply put, its the easiest way to stuff a V8 into the mark2 MR2.


CBulen
see my V8 in a 2nd gen MR2 swap project: http://www.MV8R.com


Edited by - CBulen on 07/12/2009 17:04:26
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